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HU in the 80k super stack hi roller on lock need hand opinions

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  1. ChameleoN89 ChameleoN89 is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 1:22am)

    Really would like some opinions on this hand if I just played it terrible or if its fairly standard. Only notes to really add is that starbucks is super aggressive and I thought he played very well and as much as I hate to say it he probably deserved the win, congrats to him. If you need more info ask and I can probably add more.

    Starbucks! posts the ante of 1,000
    ChameleoN- posts the ante of 1,000
    Dealing down cards
    Dealt to ChameleoN- [9d 7h]
    Starbucks! posts the small blind of 5,000
    ChameleoN- posts the big blind of 10,000
    Starbucks! raises to 24,667.
    ChameleoN- raises to 76,001.
    Starbucks! calls 51,334.
    Dealing Flop [8d 9s 5c]
    ChameleoN- bets 102,668.
    Starbucks! calls 102,668.
    Dealing Turn [Tc]
    ChameleoN- bets 239,559.
    Starbucks! raises to 686,447, and is all-in.
    ChameleoN- calls 446,888.
    Dealing River [7d]
    ChameleoN- shows [9d 7h]
    ChameleoN- has Two Pair, Nines and Sevens
    Starbucks! shows [8h Ts]
    Starbucks! has Two Pair, Tens and Eights
    Starbucks! wins 1,732,232

    Also if theres an easier way to post hands on here I would appreciate it.
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 3:41am) in reply to ChameleoN89

    pretty standard if u check the turn there u give yourself to maybe fold on the river with one card to a stright out there
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 4:28am) in reply to StaxxArmstronG

    cool thanks, where's all the p5'ers at!
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 5:03am) in reply to ChameleoN89

    I would just fold pre being so deep and try to use my aggression in position.
     
  5. ChameleoN89 ChameleoN89 is offline

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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 6:25am) in reply to shawnie2dope

     
    Originally Posted by shawnie2dope View Post

    I would just fold pre being so deep and try to use my aggression in position.

    probably the best suggestion =/ thx
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 6:53pm) in reply to wattheaitch

    once u decide to lead the turn you are committed. On the turn, I would much rather check / call with awesome odds to any river. + maybe encourage him to bluff one street which i think he gives up on river.

    Besides that once the turn lead is in the pot you are commited with your hand imo. standard. You could have decided not to 3 bet pre but yea ....hu u gotta 3bet 79 once in a while in bb or an aggressive solid opponent will run all over you.
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 10:18pm) in reply to Wesss

    3b smaller pre, lead flop, check jam turn.
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    Aug 28th, 2012 (8/28/2012 10:39pm) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    yeah seems like I played the hand a bit too agressive
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    Aug 29th, 2012 (8/29/2012 1:22am) in reply to ChameleoN89

    You say he is very aggressive, then I can't see the need to 3b light oop against him. I would only be 3betting pre for value(22+, Ax, K8+, QT+,TJs) and try to play most pots on the button where you can pot control.

    Nice score though, congrats!!!
    Edited By: Getumboy Aug 29th, 2012 at 01:25 AM
    Reason: maybe add some SCs in there as well
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    Aug 29th, 2012 (8/29/2012 2:02am) in reply to Getumboy

    pretty much any 3b is going to be fine HU...i'd make it a lot smaller though. I don't like double barreling that big and calling a shove though. Either bet really small on the turn and call a shove or check call.

    I'm most likely betting flop, checking turn and calling him down
     
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    Aug 29th, 2012 (8/29/2012 2:04am) in reply to EricWRX

    thanks guys, pretty clear what my mistakes were.
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  12. grandmamoneybags grandmamoneybags is offline

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    Aug 29th, 2012 (8/29/2012 8:38am) in reply to ChameleoN89

    wug for starting stacks before the hand or am i just not seeing it?
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    Aug 30th, 2012 (8/30/2012 3:21am) in reply to grandmamoneybags

     
    Originally Posted by grandmamoneybags View Post

    wug for starting stacks before the hand or am i just not seeing it?

    it was somewhere around 1.2mil for me and about 850k for him
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    Aug 30th, 2012 (8/30/2012 4:00am) in reply to shawnie2dope

     
    Originally Posted by shawnie2dope View Post

    I would just fold pre being so deep and try to use my aggression in position.

    ding ding ding. can't really find a reason to play this pot oop when were so deep and can play the majority of our pots in pos vs shorter stacks.
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    Aug 30th, 2012 (8/30/2012 4:49pm) in reply to grandmamoneybags

     
    Originally Posted by grandmamoneybags View Post

    ding ding ding. can't really find a reason to play this pot oop when were so deep and can play the majority of our pots in pos vs shorter stacks.

    what shorter stacks? you're heads up vs 1 individual who's slightly shorter than you.

    Playing OOP isn't ideal, but it isn't terrible either if you know how to play post flop. Think the biggest mistake that was made in the hand was the b/c ott with our hand.
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    Aug 30th, 2012 (8/30/2012 11:05pm) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    yeah theres a few different ways to go about it, but it seems the biggest mistake was being so agro on the turn, could of saved alot checking the turn and maybe still had about even stacks by the end of that hand. I'm not really a tourny player and that was my biggest cash by far so I was very inexperienced and wasnt sure on how to play optimal. my experience is mainly 1/2-2/4 cash game.
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    Aug 31st, 2012 (8/31/2012 6:45am) in reply to ChameleoN89

     
    Originally Posted by ChameleoN89 View Post

    yeah theres a few different ways to go about it, but it seems the biggest mistake was being so agro on the turn, could of saved alot checking the turn and maybe still had about even stacks by the end of that hand. I'm not really a tourny player and that was my biggest cash by far so I was very inexperienced and wasnt sure on how to play optimal. my experience is mainly 1/2-2/4 cash game.

    well, that's why posting is good then, can only help you see things from a variety of perspectives n lets you choose whichever method you are more comfy with. Which can obv never hurt.
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    Aug 31st, 2012 (8/31/2012 7:00am) in reply to pokerproplaya08

    wow yeah completely misread the hh hu its fine. lead flop c/j turn sounds right you are correct. although its pretty sound logic to play somewhaat tighter oop h/u and force your oopenent to play oop.
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    Aug 31st, 2012 (8/31/2012 4:02pm) in reply to grandmamoneybags

    How do you go from low stakes with moderate success straight to the big stakes with an instant 5figure score and a 4 figure score on the same day hmm i must be doing it wrong i think??
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    Sep 1st, 2012 (9/1/2012 4:23am) in reply to alun

     
    Originally Posted by alun View Post

    How do you go from low stakes with moderate success straight to the big stakes with an instant 5figure score and a 4 figure score on the same day hmm i must be doing it wrong i think??

    I think its because the tourny structure for that played like a deep game cash game which is what im comfortable in, and the other 2k score I had the same night I just ran well in winning flips and sucking out a few times.
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    Sep 1st, 2012 (9/1/2012 2:16pm) in reply to ChameleoN89

     
    Originally Posted by ChameleoN89 View Post

    I think its because the tourny structure for that played like a deep game cash game which is what im comfortable in, and the other 2k score I had the same night I just ran well in winning flips and sucking out a few times.

    Congrats man
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    Sep 1st, 2012 (9/1/2012 10:30pm) in reply to alun

     
    Originally Posted by alun View Post

    Congrats man

    thanks bro
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    Sep 3rd, 2012 (9/3/2012 5:34pm) in reply to ChameleoN89

    most definitely just fold preflop and move on with these stacks. If you are going to take a 3 betting line 76000 is way too much imo inflating the pot oop with mediocre holdings vs a very aggressive post flop opponent
     
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    Sep 4th, 2012 (9/4/2012 4:42pm) in reply to JAMWOW

    the 3bet sizing was def fine. you can actually go even bigger than that when its that deep.
     
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    Sep 5th, 2012 (9/5/2012 8:22am) in reply to LiquidSw0rd

    fold pre...as played i check jam the flop with TP and a gutter OOP against LAG
    Edited By: gjallen1975 Sep 5th, 2012 at 08:24 AM
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