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HU Cash w/ JJ

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  1. davrow davrow is offline

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    Dec 24th, 2008 (12/24/2008 7:23pm)

    rStars Game: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/12/24 13:29:02 ET
    Table 'Linzia II' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: davrow ($149.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: V ($152.75 in chips)
    davrow: posts small blind $0.25
    V: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to davrow [Js Jc]
    davrow: raises $1 to $1.50
    V: calls $1
    *** FLOP *** [4d 2s 8d]
    V: checks
    davrow: bets $1.50
    V: raises $3 to $4.50
    davrow: raises $6 to $10.50
    V: raises $8 to $18.50
    davrow: calls $8
    *** TURN *** [4d 2s 8d] [As]
    V: bets $21.50
    davrow: calls $21.50
    *** RIVER *** [4d 2s 8d As] [Ah]
    V:
    davrow: ??

    No real reads on opponent we've just started playing a HU match (less than 30 hands) and have had no real situations yet for decent reads - we're deep as I got it in pre with a bigger pair and then won a flip.

    Obviously by this point the pot is fairly large. Given the action what hands to you assign to the villian and whats do you anticipate your best move for the river is?
     
  2. kingp1n kingp1n is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2008 (12/25/2008 12:38am) in reply to davrow

     
    Originally Posted by davrow View Post


    *** FLOP *** [4d 2s 8d]
    V: checks
    davrow: bets $1.50
    V: raises $3 to $4.50
    davrow: raises $6 to $10.50
    V: raises $8 to $18.50
    davrow: calls $8

    if you really think JJ is good here, esp. after the turn...find another hobby immed
     
  3. Dan0281 Dan0281 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2008 (12/25/2008 12:45am) in reply to kingp1n

    smells like a set possibly at least two pair but seeing as how the flop is rags i think you can rule that out the only other possibility is aces and if he has aces i think he overplayed them but thats my opinion he also is almost not bluffing since his raises are not big enough to push you out but are likely to get top pair to call and maybe a draw
  4. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Dec 25th, 2008 (12/25/2008 6:20am) in reply to Dan0281

    No way he has Aces. Even heads-up you're 3-betting this 99% of the time unless you have a read on the guy that he'll do all your betting for you. Early the match, no reads, he's not going to do this.

    When the Turn comes, any possibility of you having the best hand goes up in smoke. You needed to dump this when he raised you again after having check-raised you. Look how small his raise was - he wants to squeeze a little more out of you without scaring you away. The Turn call is crazy.

    What's his action on the River? It's blank. To be honest, if you think your hand is good on the Turn, you still have to think it on the River. You'd be wrong, but still.
  5. davrow davrow is offline

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    Dec 26th, 2008 (12/26/2008 10:37am) in reply to gguk2008

    Well without much history with the opponent I was kinda stuck as by the small flop re raise it really smelled like a set or two pair. Obv when the ace fell I was wondering if he couldv 3bet me with A8 on the flop but i elected to call to evaluate the river. When another ace falls on the river it felt like I couldv counterfeited his 2 pair but he leads again for a half pot sized bet. I wasnt too happy with calling but I felt I was good on the river but was unsure what I could get to call me with if I jammed over his bet as a flopped 2 pair cant call after being counterfeited. Realistically I thought the only hand thats gonna call my value shove is K8 at best and all other hands pretty much have to give it up. Also my hand is fairly disguised and I really dont think he puts me on a big PP. Anyway, results:
    pokerstars Game #23216626982: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/12/24 13:29:02 ET
    Table 'Linzia II' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: davrow ($149.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: V ($152.75 in chips)
    davrow: posts small blind $0.25
    Lecher1991: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to davrow [Js Jc]
    davrow: raises $1 to $1.50
    V: calls $1
    *** FLOP *** [4d 2s 8d]
    V: checks
    davrow: bets $1.50
    V: raises $3 to $4.50
    davrow: raises $6 to $10.50
    V: raises $8 to $18.50
    davrow: calls $8
    *** TURN *** [4d 2s 8d] [As]
    V: bets $21.50
    davrow: calls $21.50
    *** RIVER *** [4d 2s 8d As] [Ah]
    V: bets $42.50
    davrow: calls $42.50
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    V: shows [Qh 8h] (two pair, Aces and Eights)
    davrow: shows [Js Jc] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
    davrow collected $167.50 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $168 | Rake $0.50
    Board [4d 2s 8d As Ah]
    Seat 1: davrow (button) (small blind) showed [Js Jc] and won ($167.50) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
    Seat 2: V (big blind) showed [Qh 8h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Eights
     
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  6. pkalevar pkalevar is offline

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    Dec 27th, 2008 (12/27/2008 12:39pm) in reply to davrow

    I think you played it perfectly. guys telling you to fold are way to tight for these stakes especially. board was drawy, so on the flop id think eight good kicker, some sort of storng draw or id be scared of 2 pair... the turn you have to just flat cause ace is scare card, but all the draws still exist, however river ace now discounts his two pair, and none of the draws made it. it is unlikely a worse hand will call a raise (though his eight good kicker may have very well have), so the best option is to just call.

    In heads up its really hard to fold an over pair, and so vs a set, all you can do is minimize losses when you might suspect it, it is really, really hard to fold an overpair HU without an amazing read or a extremely scary board. That board was definitely not scary enough
  7. greggaymer1 greggaymer1 is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2008 (12/28/2008 2:56pm) in reply to pkalevar

    think id definatly flat call that river bet in a flash,if ur wrong reload.but jj turns up good there a v. high ercentage of the time. as guy above said the other responses are way2 tight for this standard hu cash
  8. gguk2008 gguk2008 is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2008 (12/28/2008 3:21pm) in reply to pkalevar

    Pkalevar, I know nothing of your results, but from your profile you play much higher than I do. I honestly can't see how you could make your post before you saw the results.
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