Also. I know that different stages in a tournament require higher levels of aggression. I was wondering what's avg. or ideal for Ft's as well.

Yeah I understand that. I am just trying to get a general idea of what mtt players run at. For example. Since the reformat of my comp how ever many weeks ago Ive played a total of...
9742 hands on merge With a vpip/pfr/3bet of 27.6/17.7/9.6 I am not sure but I feel like that is an unprofitable amount of hands. I feel like maybe I'm just running good. LOL man sometimes I feel like i dont even know wtf I am doing. I would love to at least try out a coach but cannot afford one atm. And i find it hard to find time to study the game. I feel like this game takes a dedication I have yet to put forth in any aspect of my life. Hopefully I can just be a lucky donk and profit somehow hah.

 

Originally Posted by RedIceRap

the nittiest regs run on 12/9. the avg reg smth like 18/15 i guess. crazy guys run above that, but only very few of them make profit

Ty. Good to know. My hud keeps calling me a huge fish lol. I am a little concerned. I think I'll try playing a few less hands and see how things go. I'm in the midst of -$500 streak.

 

Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH

You are runnIng pretty suicidal numbers, very few players can show a profit over a large sample with those stats. Most grinders are running 16-18vpip and 12-16pfr with a 4-6%3b in full ring. Personally I'm usually in the 10/9 range pre antes and increase post antes sometimes playing 26/22 or higher in the last couple tables. Obviously if you are playing with good players you have to adjust your style accordingly.

You should also close the gap between your vpip and pfr, it's ok to be calling a lot pre (I'm assuming you aren't open limping) if you are playing against players that fold too much post but that is probably not the case over 9k hands. You will also get murdered by regs exploiting your high 3b% at higher stakes.

ty for the advice. I'm def not open limping. And in higher stakes I do change my game up a bit. Keep in mind I have been playing rebuys and turbos as much as reg tourneys. I think this may inflate the stats somewhat. Running suicidal numbers isn't something i think i want to do. I try to avoid a lot of conflict with regs and just hope the ft is filled with donks and take as much as they let me. I think that merge Is a little nittier than pstars and I can probly get away with running numbers like that. I run almost identical numbers on pstars over 25k hands and my results arent as good. I think Im gonna reel it in a bit lol. gl all

i even would say ur pfr/vpip should be around 80%! So with a vpip of 15 ur pfr should be around 12. my ratio is 75 and i feel like im watching sligthly too many flops. i prolly call with like 1% of hands to see a flop, and prolly would make more profit if id just fold them. alway depends obviously, but these small chnages in ur game can win u A LOT more money, and with the stats u posted u have to change ur game completely. btw i see profitable regs with a pfr/vpip ratio of like 60%, they just see a buncha flops and it's their style, but it's simply rarely profitable. if someone has a ratio lower than 50% (e.g. 24/8) over like at least 5 orbits (45 hands) u can put a green label on him or whatever to mark him as a fish and really should try to take that persons chips as fast as u can before somebody else does it, preferably by seeing a lot of flops in position with something like connectors to basicly flop a monster and stack his 2nd pair. implied odds are huge vs loose-passive fish.

 

Originally Posted by kevmode

Op I think it depends on your opponents style, game flow, the blinds, your stack, their stack, your table image and many other things. If you have a big stack and feel confident you can pound away at the blinds with small raises and put pressure on your opponents. I believe it just depends on how the table is and how your stack is compared to others. A lot of the top players really put pressure on you by opening a lot of pots and also 3betting you in position.

this, your stats depend on a lot of factors

 

Originally Posted by willmccoy

Just my opinion but i feel a lot of players simply ignore the raise 1st% and i have found it to be very helpful....................................

Didn't know about that stat. I really need to study this thing more.

great thread for me

 

Originally Posted by tedSTRETCH

You are runnIng pretty suicidal numbers, very few players can show a profit over a large sample with those stats. Most grinders are running 16-18vpip and 12-16pfr with a 4-6%3b in full ring. Personally I'm usually in the 10/9 range pre antes and increase post antes sometimes playing 26/22 or higher in the last couple tables. Obviously if you are playing with good players you have to adjust your style accordingly.

You should also close the gap between your vpip and pfr, it's ok to be calling a lot pre (I'm assuming you aren't open limping) if you are playing against players that fold too much post but that is probably not the case over 9k hands. You will also get murdered by regs exploiting your high 3b% at higher stakes.

Bold part wins this thread.

yeah i agree it's actually what we wanna know so rfi is the better stat, especially when we also have a 3bet stat and fold to 3bet stat in our HUD, but the sample size is a more important factor imo, because let's say i have 3 regs at my table and have 1k+ hands of each of them, they run on 16/12, 15/13, 14/14 (just random examples). im not really trying to exploit them, because the numbers are just so close and there always will be lots of randoms in all tourneys who run on redicolous numbers and before we even have an accurate rfi stat of them, somebody already exploited and busted them before we get the chance to do this. i dont know if people make exact decisions based on numbers, so lets say have a 3betting range for pfr: 12 and a different range for like pfr:15. i dont really do this, im looking for sweet spots vs randoms with like 25/10 or 5/1 or so, and i dont need to have a huge sample size on them. smth like 5 orbits is usually enough to say what type of poker i gonna play against this person. i would want to know the rfi in cash games if i would play against the same regs every day all day (or vs regs in the late stages of tourneys, agree that knowing the RFI would be pretty important there, im not looking much at my HUD late in tourneys tho), but in tourneys the rfi stat would just "take too long". and it's also important to me that the raise stat has the same sample size as the vpip stat. just my oppinion tho. it really could be that other players use their hud different than me, but i really just wanna know if the player is a LAG/TAG/NIT or loose-passive fish, and the pfr gives me that info in a short period.

i admit that i used the rfi stat earlier but removed it from my hud when i noticed that like everyone at my table had an rfi of 30+% because of the low sample sizes. just checked the sample sizes and the RFI has slightly less than 50% opportunities than the PFR. so it will take twice the time, which is obv limited in tourneys due to blind increase. if u have lots of space in ur hud for it i guess it wouldnt be that bad, but u also will need to look at the opportunities every time which is annoying. ok, my stats say the opportunities are 48% of the hand sample size on 100k hands (which could be 30-70% on low sample sizes -> the 50% rule is not really reliable), still annoying and time consuming to even care about this when u playing lots of tables, which is probably the main reason why people use huds. btw i do use the steal stat regulary. i dont really care if someone keeps stealing blinds from utg all the time, but if i do notice something strange i oped the popup and look if the rfi decreases from ep to lp or not. utg stealers are simply too rare to put extra stats in the HUD imo, and it's kinda obv that ur up against an utg stealer if he has a high pfr and then can open the popup to check if thats the case (rfi by positions).

i need a stat like pfr which counts 3+ bets as folds and the opportunities are equal to the vpip! does that exist already??