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Huge WTF spot from final table of FTP $109 - $75k ( W/ Results)

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  1. tblue1 tblue1 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 6:49pm)

    <SPAN>A little info...I had come into the final table as the shortstack and grinded my way back. Just a couple hands prior I won a big pot that basically gave me a slight chip lead. I def felt I had a significant edge and then this hand comes up. I know the flat call is odd, but I really didn't think original raiser would jam. I know the majority consensus will be to shove, but I didn't, so now what? It's a tough spot because like I said, I had just battled back from short stack to basically chip leader and really felt like I could find a fold and still be in decent shape w/ around 40 bbs.

    Edit: Will try and fix this jumbled mess below (or if someone else could plz??)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #10500757483: $75,000 Guarantee (77352178), Table 9 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:03:13 ET - 2009/02/08
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 1: callmeUchump (263,156)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 3: mmcqtx (667,485)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 5: Magma1000 (267,023)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 6: LaMagic (230,898)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 7: tblue1 (700,073)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 8: IM_ICM (706,365)
    </SPAN><SPAN>callmeUchump antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>Magma1000 antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 posts the small blind of 6,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM posts the big blind of 12,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>The button is in seat #6</SPAN><SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***
    </SPAN><SPAN>Dealt to tblue1 [Qd Qh]
    </SPAN><SPAN>callmeUchump folds</SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx has 15 seconds left to act
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx raises to 36,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>Magma1000 folds
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic raises to 229,398, and is all in
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 calls 223,398
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM folds
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx raises to 665,985, and is all in
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 has 15 seconds left to act
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 has requested TIME</SPAN> <SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>
  2. qjuice14 qjuice14 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 6:55pm) in reply to tblue1

    I don't have pokerstove or anything, but I am pretty sure that if you feel that the original raiser would jam here w/ AK then you have to call. That is something that you would know better than anyone in here from playing with him.
     
  3. shane3769 shane3769 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 7:32pm) in reply to tblue1

    u need to shove over the repush first of all, but yeah dont fold now
     
  4. zacman51 zacman51 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 7:50pm) in reply to tblue1

    Well what did you win the big pot with and would it have any bearing on how this guy would view your game?
     
  5. stevie444 stevie444 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 8:02pm) in reply to tblue1

    get it in for sure
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  6. Randomizer Randomizer is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 8:35pm) in reply to tblue1

    folding is baddddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
     
  7. MarkFSU1 MarkFSU1 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 8:48pm) in reply to stevie444

     
    Originally Posted by stevie444 View Post

    get it in for sure

    just shove your stack in instead of flatting...
     
  8. tblue1 tblue1 is offline

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    Feb 8th, 2009 (2/8/2009 9:49pm) in reply to MarkFSU1

    I agree w/ the common response of shoving pre. As I said, it was an unusual play for me to flat here, but having done so and facing the original raiser jamming on me...I really think this is a spot where I can consider folding. I don't have much info on the guy other then final table play, but I know he hadn't gotten out of line and seemed to be a capable player. The other thing being is that my flat had to look very suspicous and I don't think he would be making this move w/out a very narrowed range.
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  9. tblue1 tblue1 is offline

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    Feb 9th, 2009 (2/9/2009 7:16pm) in reply to tblue1

    Well, not a lot of responses, but I still think this hand was pretty interesting. I was more curious on how to proceed after already flatting, which I know was a strange play. My gut told me I couldn't be ahead after original raiser still jams after all the action following him opening. A fold leaves me w/ just under 500k in chips and plenty of room for play. Obv I wanted to throw my laptop out the window after the board runs out quads, but after thinking more about it I think I made the right play, regardless of the results.

    <SPAN>Full Tilt Poker Game #10500757483: $75,000 Guarantee (77352178), Table 9 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:03:13 ET - 2009/02/08
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 1: callmeUchump (263,156)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 3: mmcqtx (667,485)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 5: Magma1000 (267,023)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 6: LaMagic (230,898)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 7: tblue1 (700,073)
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 8: IM_ICM (706,365)
    </SPAN><SPAN>callmeUchump antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>Magma1000 antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM antes 1,500
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 posts the small blind of 6,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM posts the big blind of 12,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>The button is in seat #6</SPAN><SPAN>*** HOLE CARDS ***
    </SPAN><SPAN>Dealt to tblue1 [Qd Qh]
    </SPAN><SPAN>callmeUchump folds
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx has 15 seconds left to act
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx raises to 36,000
    </SPAN><SPAN>Magma1000 folds
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic raises to 229,398, and is all in
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 calls 223,398
    </SPAN><SPAN>IM_ICM folds</SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx raises to 665,985, and is all in
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 has 15 seconds left to act
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 has requested TIME
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1 folds
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx shows [Ac As]
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic shows [Jd Jc]
    </SPAN><SPAN>Uncalled bet of 436,587 returned to mmcqtx
    </SPAN><SPAN>*** FLOP *** [Td 3h Qs]
    </SPAN><SPAN>tblue1: queens
    </SPAN><SPAN>*** TURN *** [Td 3h Qs] [Qc]
    </SPAN><SPAN>*** RIVER *** [Td 3h Qs Qc] [5s]
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx shows two pair, Aces and Queens
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic shows two pair, Queens and Jacks
    </SPAN><SPAN>mmcqtx wins the pot (709,194) with two pair, Aces and Queens
    </SPAN><SPAN>LaMagic stands up
    </SPAN><SPAN>*** SUMMARY ***
    </SPAN><SPAN>Total pot 709,194 | Rake 0
    </SPAN><SPAN>Board: [Td 3h Qs Qc 5s]
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 1: callmeUchump folded before the Flop
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 3: mmcqtx showed [Ac As] and won (709,194) with two pair, Aces and Queens
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 5: Magma1000 folded before the Flop
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 6: LaMagic (button) showed [Jd Jc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 7: tblue1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    </SPAN><SPAN>Seat 8: IM_ICM (big blind) folded before the Flop</SPAN>
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