I'm sure the best "tourney donks" would have no problem at 1-2.

i just GTFO to my post

Your wrong if you think cash games is just about set mining. Watch a cardrunenrs video. I have done well at both and I think cash players think deeper into the game then mtt players. I am kinda sick and tired of people giving all the glory to these 15% roi ranked players

AMEN to the title of this post..... but what really makes me laugh is when the cash game player starts talking shit in a MTT right after they get outplayed in a hand....I have nothing against cash game players (i play a little myself) but for some reason there are cash game players who think they can come to a MTT and are better than everyone at the table - and they are not bashful about telling everyone they are better cause they play "cash games".... then when you bust them they say something like "come play me at a HU cash game table, I'll destroy your bankroll" or they will call everyone at the table a donkey and say something like, "I'm heading back to the cash game to get away from you donks"....

I actually dont think its the winning cash game players that do this, I think its the losing cash game players who are trying to make a score in a MTT and feel they can somehow intimidate the other players by saying they are a cash game player or maybe they just need to pacify and justify themselves.... whatever it is I am not sure but its annoying nonetheless.... the one thing I noticed is once someone announces themselves a cash game player they are much more easy to read and play against if you analyze their plays in the mind of a cash game player...

At the end of the day I wish I was better at both - cash games and MTT.

People say this because most people consider 'real poker' deep stacked poker (cash games being the most deep stacked). Most MTT players and ESP. turbo players are all preflop and flop. When you are not used to playing deep stacked, people dont understand the turn/river dynamics as hands in MTTs rarely reach the turn in the later stages (when all the money is being played for)

Obv there are exceptions ie rebuys have decent structure for most of the tournament but still at the final table when you are playing for all of the money it is almost strictly preflop/flop action. Btw, I am not saying that MTTs arent 'real poker' just pointing out that is likely the reason a lot of people say tourney donks etc.

firstly, why would anybody care about what some idiot poker player thinks about you anyway? at the end of the day its your bankroll that speaks and whether you are happy with it or not - fuck reputation, being ranked and popularity.

I for my part started grinding micro s&gs, then build my bankroll vastly with cash games until I got so arrogant to think that I could play 2/4 with my limited BR - eventially I went broke and had to redeposit for two weeks until I finally realized that I cant grind myself back on the micro limit cash games. I focused on MTTs and read the harrington books and got my BR back with interest in the 3 dollar rebuy. I then had twice the money I had before and was sooo happy I could play my old 1/2 game where I almost tripled my BR again (brag post obv) -

what Im trying to say: the only thing that cash games and tournaments have in common is: it's both poker - but that is all. both require their own very complex strategies, and those are very different and Im sure neither one involves more luck than the other.

When I sit down and decide whether I want to play a tournament or a cash game, I weigh several factors:

- What do I feel like playing? (mostly when Im reading a book on tournaments I will first check out the tournamet schedule, when its a book about cash games, I'll check out if there are some juicy tables)

- how much time do I have? (if Im supposed to meet my girlfriend in 3 hours, registering for a tournament is obv not the brightest idea, whereas I can come and go at the cash tables whenever I want)

- Am I at the top of my game? (when I feel I am really in the mood for playing, I tend to rather play cash since then its okay to put some bigger part of my BR at risk - as opposed, when Im tired I rather will sign up for tournament where I at worst might lose the buyin but have a shot at cashing big if I run good)

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lol, ooooooooh plattsburgh....

did someone just say firstly up there?

It is much tougher to learn how to beat deepstacked nl cash games in the longrun than it is to learn how to beat low and medium stakes mtts in the long run. Nl cash games are tougher to learn how to beat because, due to having to play so much deeperstacked, you HAVE to know how to play a very good postflop game, and deepstacked postflop poker is simply much tougher to learn how to do well than shortstacked preflop and flop play. The vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of cash game players could just have a 2 or 3 hour lesson with anyone who is a decent MTT player, and have that person explain the proper pushfold strategy and shortstack strategy for when the blinds get big, and the cash game player will at that very moment have instantly become a winning mtt player, at least playing-style-wise. This is cuz they already play much better deepstacked poker then the average mtter, so they have no problems with the early stages of the tourney, and then the later stages of the tourney they super easily learned in like 1-3 hours from any person that beats mtts and understands what "m" is and how to adjust your game based on your m, it gets easier and easier the shorterstacked the play gets.

Whereas the other way around doesn't necessarily work. This is because a lot of people who are beating mtts in the long run are not winning due to being particularly good at deepstacked poker, but rather just due to the fact that they don't tilt often, and are patient enough to just play super-tight through the early stages, avoiding dangerous big postflop pots if possible, and then using flawless pushfold math later on, which is not hard at all to learn how to do. So since a lot of them never had to learn to play good postflop poker, and they can't just learn in a couple hours from someone who beats nl cash games how to play good postflop poker, cuz there is no syste or general strategy for it. Much of it is specific to whichever of a huge number of situations the flop, turn and river bring. It's just something you would need a lot of actual experience at to learn how to beat.

So basically, the average winning cash game player either already could beat mtts easily as they are, or if they really didn't understand short-stack push/fold strategy somehow, they could super easily learn it from a friend quickly, whereas the average winning mtt player would have to spend weeks practicing deepstacked poker before they had enough experience to play a good deepstacked postflop game. So yeah cash game players actually are basically, ON AVERAGE, "better"

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why is aejonessss so gay? and lol at that platt post, im sure someone has one of mine that has yet to be released.

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I'm not one to talk a lot of crap about the difference between cash game players and tourney players as I have a lot of respect for a lot of the tourney players that I know but I will say this. Tournaments is like triple A ball. For the most part, the very best tourney players move to cash because they make more money. If they can't beat cash at the high levels, they stay in tournaments. That is just the way it is. It's true and there is no denying it. I'm not saying all tourney players can't beat cash because its not true, but if they can beat the higher stakes cash games then its stupid for them to play tourneys all day. I'm not going to delve deeper but with cash game players you can't have holes in your game or you'll get eaten alive. Tourney players can get away with some holes by being aggressive and running well.

For example, I would guess a good 10/20 nl player makes about $550-$600/hour playing poker (I personally know someone multitabling a lot of 3/6 and 2/4nl where I live that has made $540/hour over the last 6 months).. I'd be really surprised if the best tourney players make better than that per hour playing online, but maybe i'm wrong.

To conclude.... who cares, it isn't a big deal. Cash players shouldn't talk crap to tourney players, they should be trying to convince them to play cash so they can make more money. Tourney players should be happy with the $100+ per hour they make or they should really hone their game and play cash games.

adanthar is my fucking hero

sickest (of the sickest [of the sickest]) donkament players out there that virtually no one knows about.

wildly sick burn on plattsburgh considering adanthar won the stars 1m shortly after his chat tirade shown here in this thread