pokerstars GAME #15749288679: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) -
2008/03/04 - 23:11:32 (ET)
>Table 'Edisona' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
>Seat 1: LazyJsLady ($78.95 in chips)
>Seat 2: BlueDevil93 ($100.85 in chips)
>Seat 3: jjamigon ($151.95 in chips)
>Seat 4: abso1utgross ($139.10 in chips)
>Seat 6: ChipRick ($98.45 in chips)
>Seat 7: ratheee ($57.05 in chips)
>Seat 8: LottieDa ($99 in chips)
>Seat 9: LtrainFTR ($54.60 in chips)
>abso1utgross: posts small blind $0.50
>ChipRick: posts big blind $1
>*** HOLE CARDS ***
>Dealt to ChipRick [Ac Kc]
>WildWildWest joins the table at seat #5
>ratheee: folds
>LottieDa: folds
>LtrainFTR: raises $3 to $4
>LazyJsLady: calls $4
>BlueDevil93: folds
>jjamigon: calls $4
>abso1utgross: folds
>ChipRick: raises $18 to $22
>LtrainFTR: folds
>jjamigon said, "yuo call i call"
>LazyJsLady: calls $18
>ChipRick said, "lol wow"
>jjamigon said, "lol"
>jjamigon: calls $18
>*** FLOP *** [4h 9c 9s]
>ChipRick said, "thats colusion bro"
>ChipRick: checks
>LazyJsLady: checks
>LazyJsLady said, "lol"
>jjamigon: checks
>*** TURN *** [4h 9c 9s] [3h]
>abso1utgross said, "nah"
>ChipRick: checks
>LazyJsLady: checks
>abso1utgross said, "the other guy didnt answer"
>jjamigon said, "pocke 5s are good?"
>jjamigon: bets $11
>ChipRick said, "opmg are you kidding me"
>ChipRick: folds
>LazyJsLady: calls $11
>*** RIVER *** [4h 9c 9s 3h] [Jd]
>LazyJsLady: checks
>jjamigon: bets $25
>LazyJsLady: raises $20.95 to $45.95 and is all-in
>jjamigon said, "guess not"
>jjamigon: folds
>LazyJsLady collected $139.50 from pot
>*** SUMMARY ***
>Total pot $142.50 | Rake $3
>Board [4h 9c 9s 3h Jd]
>Seat 1: LazyJsLady collected ($139.50)
>Seat 2: BlueDevil93 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 3: jjamigon (button) folded on the River
>Seat 4: abso1utgross (small blind) folded before Flop
>Seat 6: ChipRick (big blind) folded on the Turn
>Seat 7: ratheee folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 8: LottieDa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 9: LtrainFTR folded before Flop
>
> POKERSTARS GAME #15749338299: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) -
2008/03/04 - 23:14:09 (ET)
>Table 'Edisona' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
>Seat 1: LazyJsLady ($160.45 in chips)
>Seat 2: BlueDevil93 ($100.85 in chips)
>Seat 3: jjamigon ($93.95 in chips)
>Seat 4: abso1utgross ($138.60 in chips)
>Seat 6: ChipRick ($76.45 in chips)
>Seat 7: ratheee ($57.05 in chips)
>Seat 8: LottieDa ($99 in chips)
>Seat 9: LtrainFTR ($50.60 in chips)
>WildWildWest will be allowed to play after the button
>ChipRick: posts small blind $0.50
>ratheee: posts big blind $1
>*** HOLE CARDS ***
>Dealt to ChipRick [3s Ac]
>LottieDa: folds
>LtrainFTR: folds
>LazyJsLady: calls $1
>jjamigon said, "see im a man of my word"
>BlueDevil93: raises $3 to $4
>jjamigon: folds
>jjamigon said, "and i gave you more cash"
>abso1utgross: folds
>LazyJsLady said, "yup"
>LazyJsLady said, "ty"
>ChipRick said, "oyour also reported...enjoy"
>jjamigon said, "your welcome"
>ChipRick: folds
>ratheee: folds
>abso1utgross said, "that wasnt collusion dude"
>LazyJsLady: folds
>BlueDevil93 collected $3.50 from pot
>*** SUMMARY ***
>Total pot $3.50 | Rake $0
>Seat 1: LazyJsLady folded before Flop
>Seat 2: BlueDevil93 collected ($3.50)
>Seat 3: jjamigon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 4: abso1utgross (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 6: ChipRick (small blind) folded before Flop
>Seat 7: ratheee (big blind) folded before Flop
>Seat 8: LottieDa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 9: LtrainFTR folded before Flop (didn't bet)

how is this not collusion

bump and yes, they said this was not collusion will post the e mail in a second

The chat comments are also quite fine as well, as players who are still
in
a hand in a cash game are entitled to talk about what cards they claim
to
hold as happened in this hand.

There was no squeeze play here at all, both players hands were played
entirely in tune with the cards that actually held.

wtf

in the original e mail i stated that my squeeze was fairly large...not sure why he commented on it if he is unaware of what a squeeze is...if i knew a gut behind me was calling a big 3 bet i would def set mine more...

lol you call then i call isnt colluding?....stars messed up here man

tytytytyty im so glad i wasnt the only one who thought this is collusion, i emailed for a second opinion, will post it when it arrives...stay tuned pls:)

I don't think this is collusion as they were'nt sharing hands or trying to set up a move. I do think what he said was totally out of order though. You should not be able to share information that would otherwise be unknown. In this situation the first player knew that by calling the other player would too, giving him a better price for any draw, which gives an unfair advantage.

jjamigon said, "yuo call i call"

One of the guys i play with live said this to be once except it was "you fold i fold" I never thought it could be seen as colluding. But I guess it might be different when everyone at the table at the casino is familiar with each other

I don't think it is collusion, as they were clearly not working together. It is completely legitimate to say what you will do in advance in order to get another player to make a move that is profitable to you. I have seen people do this in live games, where a raise comes out in 1st position, and the guy in 3rd position says to the guy in 2nd position "if you call, I'll call too", and then 2nd position guy calls and the 3rd position guy folds or raises. It's just tactical chat, and he's looking out for himself only. He could have said "you better fold, I'm going all in here" in order to make Lazy fold, and then he could just call. Deception is part of the game. Collusion is only present when people know each other and are deliberately making moves that disadvantage other players at the table.

how is this thinking out loud if he is adressing the other player

collusion isnt the right phrase since the term collusion implies two players acting illegally together, and LazyJsLady did nothing wrong.

however the comment "you call i call" (not to mention announcing his cards mid-hand if he was being honest) would clearly be against the rules of any casino or online site i've ever played at. it's pretty much acting out of turn only worse.

Obvious brag post about earning 30,000 FPP's.

Rubbish. I see this sort of thing said in my local casino fairly often, and sometimes they follow through with what they say, and sometimes they do the exact opposite. And at no time has anyone been given a warning. Yes, I agree on the announcing of cards -- that is totally wrong. We get warnings for that. But begging for someone to call your bet when you want them to fold, or any other types of deception and trickery is completely fair game on the felt. UNLESS the two players know each other and are playing together to pool money. If this guy managed to get someone to call when they weren't planning to so that he got odds to call his draw, then good for him! But he did that for his OWN chance to win the cash -- not to help someone else out. It is NOT colluding if you are talking in such a way as to give YOURSELF a better chance to win money, without rehearsing or pre-arranging such chatter with another person.

No you are putting your own interpretation on what they meant here. This could easily mean, if you bet im calling.

the reason you haven't gotten a warning isn't because you're within the rules; it's because live players either don't understand the rules or don't want to cause a stir

i think the 'you call i call' was an attempt to just get a call in this round of betting. which is kinda proved by the later fold. basically you cannot collude against someone you are trying to mislead!