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  1. NaCardTrick NaCardTrick is offline

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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 9:58pm)

    pokerstars Game #5123493039: Tournament #25455622, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/06/01 - 21:55:12 (ET)
    Table '25455622 122' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: R.Morais (3080 in chips)
    Seat 2: Mojo63 (870 in chips)
    Seat 3: MRMOGUL (2785 in chips)
    Seat 4: tbell16bc (3725 in chips)
    Seat 5: NaCardTrick (2170 in chips)
    Seat 6: JOEGATSBY (1500 in chips)
    Seat 7: O's Fan8 (1385 in chips)
    Seat 8: Big Chone (3070 in chips)
    Seat 9: ARALLINDR (1805 in chips)
    tbell16bc: posts small blind 25
    NaCardTrick: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to NaCardTrick [Kc Kh]
    JOEGATSBY: raises 50 to 100
    O's Fan8: folds
    Big Chone: calls 100
    ARALLINDR: folds
    R.Morais: calls 100
    Mojo63: folds
    MRMOGUL: folds
    tbell16bc: folds
    NaCardTrick: raises 240 to 340
    JOEGATSBY: calls 240
    Big Chone: calls 240
    R.Morais: calls 240
    *** FLOP *** [4h 8s 7c]
    NaCardTrick: bets 1830 and is all-in
    JOEGATSBY: folds
    Big Chone: calls 1830
    R.Morais: folds
    *** TURN *** [4h 8s 7c] [7s]
    *** RIVER *** [4h 8s 7c 7s] [5h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    NaCardTrick: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
    Big Chone: shows [7h Ah] (three of a kind, Sevens)
    Big Chone collected 5045 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5045 | Rake 0
    Board [4h 8s 7c 7s 5h]
    Seat 1: R.Morais folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: Mojo63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: MRMOGUL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: tbell16bc (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: NaCardTrick (big blind) showed [Kc Kh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sevens
    Seat 6: JOEGATSBY folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: O's Fan8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Big Chone showed [7h Ah] and won (5045) with three of a kind, Sevens
    Seat 9: ARALLINDR folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    No foldem strikes again. Tried to reduce the callers preflop. I was sitting in the BB. Three people call a pot size bet + some. Then a guy calls my all in with second pair... Blah. LOL
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 9:59pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    Played about 20 of them lately, same result. Waste of money
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:00pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    My exiting comment. Cant be said any better.
    NaCardTrick [observer]: good call
    NaCardTrick [observer]: gl
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:02pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    In a $10 mtt out of position; im making it 450 minimum... Plus u got ur money in good who cares what happens, ive grown to understand that results to indiviual hands do not mean anything if you feel youve made the correct decisions.
     
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:04pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    hear hear Joker
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  6. NaCardTrick NaCardTrick is offline

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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:04pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    Well, 450 is huge compared to blinds. I want a caller, I dont want to steal. Obviously i should of bet more. But looking at the result. I dont think he was going to lay down his hand
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:09pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    I would have to make it about 450 right there. You're giving great odds to the people that already put 100 in the pot, especially the eventual winner, and the person behind him.

    Then, the all in on the flop was mostly unnecessary seeing that you have 3 opponents...as you already know, KK isn't going to hold up against 3 opponents too often (I'm not saying it never well), I think you were a little emotional that 3 others called you there.

    No question that your opponent made a slightly donkish call though...but I'm assuming he thought you had AK (on his flop call).
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:17pm) in reply to jackaaron

    Lol, Im not emotional that 3 people called. I did bet bigger than the pot. That typically removes most people. Obviously when people want to call they will call. 450 probably would not have made a difference.
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:20pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    Also, Why would the all in on the flop be bad?? KK is still the favorite vs any single hand(AA being unlikely). And with that flop is most likely still ahead. I would have obviously got my money in sooner or later. I let him draw the 7 im the idiot. He calls an all in to get it. I made the right move. Poker.
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:47pm) in reply to jackaaron

    he got all his chips in the pot in a dominating position...is there anything wrong with that ????
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:56pm) in reply to pokerjamers

    I played with Big Chone the other day in an SNG. I put a note on him. It said.....

    calls with any A-rag!
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 10:56pm) in reply to Gelvin44

    Note taken. An Ace is powerful. He will win once in a while. lol
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:23pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    When you get beat after beat after beat like this, you start to take little consolation in the fact that you yet, once again, got your money in ahead and lost. The promise is a lie.
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:25pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    I started having much more success in micro & low buy in's when I un'learned everything
    I read in Sklanskys & Harringtons books and just started pushing premium
    hands, seeing cheap flops only playing TPTK or better. Once your safely past
    the money bubble most donks are on the rail and you can revert to a more normal
    style game.
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:26pm) in reply to PuertoKid

    And im pretty sure u didnt bet the pot, let alone bet more than the pot. And i know u think 450 is a large bet; but as u said if u wanted just one caller a raise to 450 still has a high probablity of gettin the orginal raiser to call; and at the same time increase the chance of the other 2 folding/ gives a worse price for the other 2 to call behind.
     
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:34pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    you would hope that no donks stayed in it with 56 suited (or unsuited lol), but sometimes you never know. but really, to have that much callers, you have to figure at least one person possibly called with a low to medium pocket pair and could have made their set. why would you want to put all your chips at risk when you have no other information other than too many callers?
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:45pm) in reply to tiltyjoker

    Close enough. But the price for the other two callers never changes btw. Always getting the same odds. LOL,
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:50pm) in reply to eisezu

    you have to figure at least one person possibly called with a low to medium pocket pair and could have made their set. why would you want to put all your chips at risk when you have no other information other than too many callers? //Yes. But worrying about someone hitting a set is idiotic. You fold over pairs because you think someone hit a set. : - ()
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:53pm) in reply to Scurvydog00

    I have read Harrington's. And pushed with a premium hand. Just a minefield out there.
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:53pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    are u being sarcastic or serious... sometimes im bad at readin sarcasm.
     
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    Jun 1st, 2006 (6/1/2006 11:57pm) in reply to NaCardTrick

    i didnt say to fold, i said why put all your chips at risk? at least put a decent bet out to get more information. then if you get put all in you can decide whether or not you're being whipped around or not. poker is a game of making decisions based off of information (and assumptions of course). to throw all your chips in without knowing anything about your opponents (three in this case) isn't the best move. and someone already posted about your re-raise too low even though you wanted to slim the callers down.
    but hey, if you want to keep doing that, im sure we'll see more of your bad beat posts.
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    Jun 2nd, 2006 (6/2/2006 12:22am) in reply to eisezu

    I was out of position, the pot was big relative to my stack, it was a 10 min blind turbo. I dont understand how somepeople can say pushing with KK on that flop was a bad idea. Especially in a 10 dollar buy in. If you know for a fact that people are not going to fold their hand. Then why bet anything less than all in?
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    Jun 2nd, 2006 (6/2/2006 12:27am) in reply to tiltyjoker

    I do agree that I obviously did not bet enough Tilty. Pushing in with the best hand is always +EV. So we will leave it at that.
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    Jun 2nd, 2006 (6/2/2006 2:29am) in reply to NaCardTrick

    You're right, I'd rather play against the top professionals in the world day in and day out. Wait, that's right, no i wouldn't, i'd rather play with people that pay off overpairs with 2nd pair. repost this is the bad beat forum, and quit contributing the idea that you can be too good to play bad players. if you can't beat these limits, it is not because you are better than the field and get outdrawn every time you play, it's because you are not as good as you think at exploiting the obvious edge a knowledgable player should have against a weak field.
    i guarantee if a truly great player ever decided to play only 10$ tournaments on pokerstars they would have a huge ROI over time. If you're better than a field, you'll beat it over time. If you aren't beating a field YOU AREN'T BETTER THAN IT, QUIT KIDDING YOURSELF.
    i'm not saying you are not better than this field because you lost, i'm saying you are looking at things the wrong way.
    sklansky said perfect poker is playing as if you would if you knew what your opponent was holding [and it may be added as if you knew what he would do in reaction to your action], if you had KK and knew the other guy had A7 on that board and knew he would call all his chips, you would push every day of the week and twice on sunday, and if you wouldn't, you should take up golf.
    this hand is a bad beat, not proof that these tournaments are unbeatable.
    forget about, and when your mind is clear, join another tourney, play to the best of your ability, and if it is better than the rest of the field, you will win in the long run, period!
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    Jun 2nd, 2006 (6/2/2006 9:42am) in reply to NaCardTrick

    Well played, just UL

    GL on the next one.
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    Jun 2nd, 2006 (6/2/2006 10:20am) in reply to NaCardTrick

    I made an obvious small raise from the button w/ AA last night in a 10 dollar MTT and the guy pushes over the top w/ 66 only to hit a str8. His comment aftwerwards, "I thought you were stealing." duh!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was the point!!! But it's funny how untricky you can play these people.
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