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I KNOW WHY PHIL HELLMUTH WINS!! LOL

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  1. eman1783 eman1783 is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:03pm)

    I saw it last night on Poker After Dark, he told Howard Lederer he doesn't play blind induce poker neither is he one of those odds kind of player!!

    Feel free to elaborate.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:05pm) in reply to eman1783

    I think you should be the one to elaborate. Wtf is is blind induce poker?
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:20pm) in reply to TheMayor

    wow, I've read the OP three times and I'm still thinking wtf??!?
     
  4. New Shawboy New Shawboy is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:22pm) in reply to eman1783

    Donde esta el bano?
     
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:24pm) in reply to eman1783

    Is the OP a quote? Otherwise this thread is too confusing for me.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 12:32pm) in reply to eman1783

    I think what the OP is trying to say is that he doesn't make his decisions based on the size of the blinds or pot odds, but instead bases his decisions on what he thinks his opponent is holding
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 1:08pm) in reply to alekos

    Exactly what Alekos said!!!
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  8. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 2:30pm) in reply to eman1783

    Very true...I read his column in cardplayer and he's calling a raise preflop and bet on the flop and then c/r the turn with A2o.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 3:21pm) in reply to eman1783

    I will give Phil Hellmuth tons of credit on his hand-reading abilities. There is simply no way he could have won 11 bracelets, in any era, without his incredible knack to put somoene on a very tight range of hands. That being said, there is no way he could ever be profitable in the 100r or any of the other major tournaments on the net where the best online players dominate. Pot odds and "blind induced poker" aren't just used by the best players because it is the hot new thing to do, it is done because IT IS PROVEN TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PLAY.
    Going back to that TV final table, he raised 1/2 his stack pre, only to fold with amazing pot odds because he knew he was "beat." What he failed to even consider, however, is that calling over the long run is a profitable play. I think Phil is probably smart enough to grasp this information once he realizes he can't compete with the true best players in the world, the Annettes and the Bel0ws and the SCT's of online poker, but as of now he is ignorant and set on his ways.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 3:27pm) in reply to Pod the Bod

    Blind induce poker and pot odds are the "MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO PLAY" online, for sure.

    In live games this is not always the case. If online there was a way to tighten ranges as much as possible in live play, then pot odds and BIP wouldnt't necessarily be the most effective way to play
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 3:42pm) in reply to Pod the Bod

    im sure if they would allow the dealer to run the hand 10 times over, phil would take his chances and call all in. but who cares whats profitable in the 'long run', whats profitable NOW, is all phil cares about, and it seems to work great for him. The guy cashed 5 times at the world series this year, including a win, yet people constantly rip him for not being as sick as annette, or ivey, or belowabove. but isnt he just a different kind of sick?
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 4:13pm) in reply to downbylaw11

    What's profitable now and what's profitable in the long run are the same, you make no sense
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 4:47pm) in reply to Pod the Bod

    Good argument, but. He has 11 braclet's. All of those other players combined have what 2?
    He does not need the online game. Thats why some pros dont play online. Why adjust to a new ''style" of play when you can destroy MTT's in your comfort zone. This game is captialism at its finest. Strong prey on the weak. Phil is the BEST NO LIMIT LIVE MTT player in the world.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 6:12pm) in reply to Jastyle76

    No he is not. His results over the next 10 years are not even going to come close to those of the new online breed.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 6:37pm) in reply to Pod the Bod

    The next 10 years haven't happened douche bag. go and lick some more online Wiz's balls while your at it. The dude (phil) has the most braclets ever, nuff said.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 7:12pm) in reply to elendil

    Phil Helmuth is the Best Tourney NLHE Player ever (Unger died early) arguments only for Johnny Chan are possible. He is not a cash game player not a PLO player, but no one can get through a field and play as well as Helmuth. I am sure he will take another WSOP ME down if he get lucky he is really that good.
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 7:43pm) in reply to LesW

    Bracelets are overrated, WSOP nl events are full of donks, theres a reason this guy has virtualy zero succes outside the wsop its because he has a game that fits well agaisnt horrible players but he simply cant adjust when he is play against a more skill based feild (WPT events)
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    Nov 15th, 2007 (11/15/2007 7:45pm) in reply to LesW

    Phil's line of thinking is different than the way we are taught. He's pretty good at reads, that's a given. To give an example, he may stab at a pot, get pushed on, be getting 4 to 1 to call, feel he's a 3 to 1 dog to win and still fold.

    We are all taught that in the long run this is a losing play, like the other guy said and phil admitted, that doesn't concern him, just this hand in a vacuum is what he is playing and he knows he's going to lose this hand 3 times out of every 4. His ego tells him that he is so much better than everyone else he can afford to pass these plays up. And so far he's proved he is good enough to pass these up and still win, but for mere mortals it's a losing fold "in the long run"
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