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I now hate Mondays- River line check in $42K guaranteed

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  1. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 3:08pm)

    Early in the Tilt $26. I doubled up a couple of times at this point and me and villain are relatively deep. No concrete reads except that I noticed villain was flatting pretty steadily in the couple of orbits I played prior to this hand.

    All streets welcome particularly a plan for the river. Is the river a b/c? b/f? c/c? c/f? and why?

    Full Tilt Poker Game #18100165601: $42,000 Guarantee (132343427), Table 139 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:30:42 ET - 2010/02/01

    Seat 1: s_l_halper (7,942)

    Seat 2: Jungless (7,515)

    Seat 3: lausmaus (5,193), is sitting out

    Seat 4: m0mfc7kd (3,370)

    Seat 5: birdbomber (8,185)

    Seat 6: JoZ66 (2,510)

    Seat 7: calacume (3,705)

    Seat 8: woundedknee99 (9,520)

    Seat 9: Zig ziGGy (12,410)

    JoZ66 posts the small blind of 80

    calacume posts the big blind of 160

    The button is in seat #5

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to s_l_halper [8s 9s]

    woundedknee99 folds

    Zig ziGGy folds

    s_l_halper raises to 480

    Jungless calls 480

    lausmaus folds

    m0mfc7kd folds

    birdbomber folds

    JoZ66 folds

    calacume has 15 seconds left to act

    calacume folds

    *** FLOP *** [7s 7d 6d]

    s_l_halper bets 640

    woundedknee99 is sitting out

    Jungless has 15 seconds left to act

    Jungless calls 640

    *** TURN *** [7s 7d 6d] [5d]

    s_l_halper bets 1,280

    Jungless has 15 seconds left to act

    Jungless calls 1,280

    *** RIVER *** [7s 7d 6d 5d] [Th]

    s_l_halper ?
     
  2. coolhandkev coolhandkev is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 3:14pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    This is a very tough spot because there aren't too many hands he can have that are air and that he would bluff at if checked too. Because of that check/calling probably isn't the best line, he will A)check behind if you have him beat or B)bet if he has you beat. So you are both at about 5k with 5k in the pot going to river. It's tough to bet/fold when essentially at that point your whole stack is in the middle. I guess bet/call is the line I would like the best but really no options are that great. Tough spot.
  3. Drewdaddy19 Drewdaddy19 is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 3:23pm) in reply to coolhandkev

    His line is whats confusing. From your description he could be flatting a wide range here. Let's assume he didnt flop a boat. What would he be calling you with on th flop and why? Overpair, Draw, Air with the intent to bluff? I doubt air bc he would have made a move on u on the turn. Idk. With what is in the pot I don't seehow you can bet/fold. You may lose value by checking so Idk. I think the best line is to bet/call but I'm just an sng donk.... Results?

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  4. Pghfan987 Pghfan987 is online now

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 4:35pm) in reply to Drewdaddy19

    Bet/fold. You can get value out of trips and other random bluff catchers. It is also sort of a blocking bet so you aren't c/c a big bet on the river. Doubt he ever shoves worse, b/c is bad.
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 5:33pm) in reply to Pghfan987

     
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    Bet/fold. You can get value out of trips and other random bluff catchers. It is also sort of a blocking bet so you aren't c/c a big bet on the river. Doubt he ever shoves worse, b/c is bad.

    There is 5040 in the pot, villain's stack is 5115. WUG size for bet/fold?
     
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 5:59pm) in reply to funnygut

    can we bet like 1300 here again and fold to a shove, i doubt many 26er players will ever shove anything u beat here.
    i also doubt he will pick up on the blocker bet n jam on u here. well seems like most players in these 26$ turnys wont.
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 6:18pm) in reply to Pghfan987

     
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    Bet/fold. You can get value out of trips and other random bluff catchers. It is also sort of a blocking bet so you aren't c/c a big bet on the river. Doubt he ever shoves worse, b/c is bad.

    Lol, can we ever just shove? He's obviously never folding any 7, and by the way he played the hand it seems possible he might be married to A6 or something retarded. Betting 1200 and folding to a shove seems like the most technically sound thing to do, but I'd hate folding so much if he actually shoved.
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 6:26pm) in reply to BubbaKGB

    The more I think about it the more I like betting 2950. You are ahead here a high percentage of the time they way he has played the hand.

    If he goes all in for another 2000, that kind of sucks, but A- I dont think it happens too often, B- I call just because he has to be freaking out with a 7 such a low percentage of the time to make the call good, that I think its ok.
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 6:46pm) in reply to fly44

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  10. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 6:58pm) in reply to fly44

    Thx so far. I guess results are in order and was hoping you guys could critique my thought process throughout the hand.

    I had a plan throughout the hand. It is deep stacked for this early in a tourney and this was not one of the usual robotic spots we usually face this early. As a result I, for once, was deliberate in both my decisions and betsizing. I thought it played out in an interesting fashion.

    I weighted his pre-flop flatting range as mid to good pps with some suited and unsuited broadway and connectors. I felt like the flop c-bet was mandatory and would make the hand play out easier. Villain seemed competent. Because of the paired board I figured villain would raise back draws and flat monsters/overpairs. When he flatted I weighted heavier to a hand like TT or JJ than a draw or (gasp) a flopped boat.

    Unfortunately the c-bet made the turn the more interesting spot as I was running out of barrels. I hit my hand though I was dealing with a third diamond and a paired board. At the time I thought a second barrel was optimal to get value from overpairs with a diamond. I planned on b/f the turn because I figured overpairs with a diamond could flat and better hands might shove for value. Once I did that it and he flatted I was left with a PSB though and I think it took my ability to b/f the river away. So I planned on c/c blank rivers and c/f any more board pairs or a 4th diamond.

    So I did. And as it turned out I saved myself a little bit:

    *** RIVER *** [7s 7d 6d 5d] [Th]

    s_l_halper checks

    Jungless has 15 seconds left to act

    Jungless bets 2,040

    s_l_halper calls 2,040

    *** SHOW DOWN ***

    Jungless shows [6c 6s] a full house, Sixes full of Sevens

    s_l_halper mucks

    Jungless wins the pot (9,120) with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens

    *** SUMMARY ***

    Total pot 9,120 | Rake 0

    Board: [7s 7d 6d 5d Th]

    Seat 1: s_l_halper mucked [8s 9s] - a straight, Ten high

    Seat 2: Jungless showed [6c 6s] and won (9,120) with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens

    Seat 3: lausmaus didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 4: m0mfc7kd didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 5: birdbomber (button) didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 6: JoZ66 (small blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 7: calacume (big blind) folded before the Flop

    Seat 8: woundedknee99 didn't bet (folded)

    Seat 9: Zig ziGGy didn't bet (folded)

    I think villain played it pretty well, though I think he would have been better shoving turn for value. Even with all of the hands that connected on the turn I would have had trouble getting away from it. My only regret is the turn barrel. I had a good reason for it but I think I would have been better off checking the turn so I could b/f a blank river for value.

    Before this thread drops off of the map, I'd really appreciate some input on my thought process. I think it is a neat little spot and I would love to know how I could have played this hand better. Otherwise thx for the input thusfar and see ya at the tables.

    EDIT: And kudos to the Boomtown Rats reference. It was inadvertent but I was wondering if anyone would pick up on it. :)
     
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    Feb 1st, 2010 (2/1/2010 8:40pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    Betting ~1500 and folding to a shove is way better than c/c. You are ahead of bluff catchers, not missed draws. It's really close between b/f and c/f. I like:

    b/f > c/f > c/c > b/c > c/r
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