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Something happened at a home game I go to and I have kinda felt bad about it since. Just wondering if maybe I was out of line here?
Anyway, forgoeing the action, there was about $110 or so in the pot (3 way pot) and guy was facing a raise on the river. He folds and action moves to the next guy and he is thinking through the hand and the guy that folded starts yapping about what he had, what he thinks the original raiser and the guy who is contemplating the call has etc etc. Anyway, I wasn't in the hand but regardless I am paying attention for future information and after about 2 minutes of listening to him ramble on I blew up at him. Started yelling for him to "Shut the Fuck up" and mentioning that there is a days pay in the pot so he should show some respect and keep quiet. There was a little more swearing and I actually got up from the table I was so pissed about it. Anyway, after buddy busted and left I apologized to the host of the game for freaking out and causing drama in his house, but was I justified?
I understand it is a home game with friends and aquaintances and most people are chilled out around the table smoking and drinking and passing joints around and for the most part it is a really fun game, so knowing this should I have just let it slide? What would have been a better way of handling the situation? -
your beter off talking about after the hand. I understand it's a big pot but the scenario you are talking about is generally how home games get broken up or how someone doesn't get invited back.
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I think its ok for you to say something, but maybe next time try to keep your cool and say it in a more calm fashion. Yelling just might cause a fight or some crazy shit happening. But yah, I'd tell someone to show more respect for the players and keep their mouth shut. It does happen since people are drinking, but usually telling them once will keep them quiet for the rest of the game.
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You handled it well.....I'd have jumped over the table and tackled his ass.
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I think it's absolutely fine to say something in this kind of situation, although blowing up (which it sounds like you did) probably wasn't the best course of action. It's very much appropriate to tell him to keep his mouth shut while the hand is still in play.
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These are really tough situations.....especially when you're in the hand, but even when you're not. Most people who play poker aren't as serious about it as the people on this forum. They act serious about it when they play, but they don't spend time reading about it, learning etiquette and rules, etc. If you get too worked up about stuff like this, they may not want to play with you anymore--especially if they're your friends.
I used to have a similar problem. I would just get really upset if people were talking about a hand while it was still going on or if they were throwing chips straight into the pot or whatever... I still prefer protocol and try to encourage it whenever possible, but there's a fine line between being helpful and pissing people off. Sometimes it's worth it just to let things go.
I think you were definitely justified in being upset, but I think the best way to handle these situations, usually, is to just politely mention something after the hand is over. Say, "Hey man, please don't take offense at this, but I'd really appreciate it if you can wait until a hand is over before talking about it, since what you say might affect other people's decisions." It might annoy your friend for a minute, because it embarrasses him and makes him look ignorant, and you could even say it to him privately at a later time if you're real concerned about it. But either way, it won't totally alienate the person and make them uncomfortable playing with you again, which is what a colossal blowup can do. You've also educated your friend by explaining to them why it's wrong to do what they did....even if it bothers them, they'll at least understand why they shouldn't do it in the future. -
Yeah, after the hand was over I would have started (nicely) with something like, "Hey guys, let's not talk about a hand during the hand if we aren't in the hand." and then explain further about influencing the actions of others still in the hand when the conversation continues. Reasonable people will understand and if they don't get it then you probably don't want to play with them anymore.
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I can't believe nobody has said this yet, but...obv brag post about "smoking and drinking and passing joints."
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In this type of environment its best to approach it in a calm friendly tone - please don't kill anyones buzz. Most players don't understand how poor etiquitte(sp?) it is to discuss hands - just explain why and how much it matters to the current hand and most will be respectable. People don't want to get called out twice so they usually shape up after the first time.
Even at the hard rock here in Tampa it flips me out how much people talk about their dead hands while play is still going on. I play 2-5 with a max $100 buyin and I usually end up pissing off the whole table yelling at people to act right because all they do is discuss what they folded and react to flops in disgust revealing info for the players still involved in hands. Dealers do nothing because they have a monopoly and just run sloppy games and no one cares excpet for the few real players they have. / rant about tampa hard rock and the sloppy games they run. -
I disagree. Home games are not the same as live big buy in sattys, or even small ones for that matter, or WSOP freezeouts.. The same rules simply do not apply. Everyon knows each other (or probably do)....dbags that go on and on and on about this need to get put in line. Op was def in the right spot here. Pot size is completely irrelevant. Well played OP, and played well after the pot was over.
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Add a new house rule where if you talk about a hand currently in play, you have to reimburse the losing player(s). I think this would be effective. This is probably too hard core for most home games, but I like it.
Adam's advice is spot on. -
I think the problem here is that its a home game. So, what are the rules of the home game? How do they play?
I played a $5 tournament one where people literally solicited advice during a hand. They would pass their hand back and forth (with people who folded) and get advice. It was an accepted practice (though, I did have an issue once where the person passed it to the dealer, into the muck, so I thought I won, showed my bluff, only to find out it wasn't really folded. We decided the only fair thing at that point was to split the pot).
I think if this is common practice, you let it slide. If it isn't, you politely tell him to be quiet when he starts talking originally.
But, as others said, this is what leads to home games not inviting someone back. So, I wouldn't make this a habit. -
No home game ever plays like this tho.
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Your tone was out of line, but your objection wasn't.
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what I find just as bad and pisses me off even more, is when the board has trips, and a preflop folder shows obv disgust with a huge sigh or hitting table, then acts like they werent out of line because they "didnt discuss there hand"
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agrii with Jennifear, and specifically, GambleAB. if you're going to object to this, it needs to be immediately, but politely, and to my mind, the onus is on the guy who made the bet that's being considered. thing is, sometimes that guy's just frozen, doesnt want to say 'stfu' cause in doing so that might give away something, so yeah, I'm always that guy who says it for him. hell, even when I'm the guy considering the call, i usually tell the table talker to stfu.
edit: I cant imagine playing in some game where we got to pass the cards around! now if only i could get lordxixor101 to say hi back to me when i see him on FT, such bigtimeaments. hehehe -
I think the best possible way to handle this would have been to slap on a sick brutus the barber sleeper hold and then proceed to cut his hair while he's passed out.
Alternative would be to slap on "million dollar dream" and cram singles down his throat.
Either way works.... -
Thanks all for the replies. I think I snapped on him so quickly because two hands prior he had played a hand ridiculous bad, sucked out for a big pot and then ran around the garage screaming at the top of his lungs, which annoys the shit out of me to start with. I definetly kinda felt bad afterwards though because I probably scared the shit out of him (me= 6'5" 270 him 5'9" 180 maybe) and I did stand up out of my chair (although I was going to the fridge to get a beer while I was berating him).
To be fair it wasn't a roid rage, throwing chairs with clenched fist and spitting while yelling freakout....but it was a decently forceful verbal lashing. I don't know...I guess I could have handled it better but this game has been playing every Friday for the better part of 3 years, he should know better by now imo. Next time I'll be more polite about it. -
Agreed.
You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
It could be that the guy just didn't know, in which case a simple explanation as to why he should not have been talking about the hand would probably have been sufficient. -
Maybe you have some kind of bouncer friend in the neighbourhood that you could call?
He could beat up the guy while you wait in the car. Maybe steal his hand lotion while he's at it.. -
you were not out of line, and i agree w/ a couple others.
he needed to be told exactly what you told him.
he needed to be told as soon as he started, when it's just su, and hasn't gotten to the stfu level yet.
and if he's already been told before, tone, not volume, should let him know effectively....
however, when everyone is having a good time, it's hard to correct people sometimes w/o tapping the tank...when i came home from Iraq the first time, we had a bunch of big games at our house and i couldn't wait to play some poker after a long break...then i realized that everyone wanted to socialize (b/c i was back) and the game was more about seeing me and doing shots then playing serious poker (as it was b4 i left)...it made it hard to correct some of the players who were effin around, b/c they were all really just there to see me, but w/ about $2K in play, i wanted to stack some bread... -
I agree with GambleAB, say something right away don't stew on it for 2 minutes. "Hey, c'mon man, they're still playing the hand."
And lighten up, don't pass on the joint when it comes around -
I know you. You are my friend.
Use some self-discipline. Quietly and calmly put the villain in his place.
Be an example of proper behavior.
Think Clint Eastwood. Without the gun. -
yes you were out of line. saying something about the chat is one thing but to yell "shut the fuck up" is totally out of line. its a home game with friends.
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