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i shoulda shoved on the river?

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  1. DriftMonkey DriftMonkey is offline

    Kelowna
    Canada

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    Joined: Aug 08

    Sep 21st, 2009 (9/21/2009 11:46pm)

    pokerstars Game #33132158881: Tournament #196490381, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/09/21 23:27:37 ET
    Table '196490381 74' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 1: snoezie7 (14810 in chips)
    Seat 2: drift_monkey (9686 in chips)
    Seat 3: cacoochaooo (9210 in chips)
    Seat 4: CalUrBLuFF33 (44992 in chips)
    Seat 5: titititi (15462 in chips)
    Seat 6: cavalcante25 (4267 in chips)
    snoezie7: posts the ante 25
    drift_monkey: posts the ante 25
    cacoochaooo: posts the ante 25
    CalUrBLuFF33: posts the ante 25
    titititi: posts the ante 25
    cavalcante25: posts the ante 25
    CalUrBLuFF33: posts small blind 150
    titititi: posts big blind 300
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to drift_monkey [Qd 9d]
    cavalcante25: folds
    snoezie7: folds
    drift_monkey: raises 600 to 900
    cacoochaooo: folds
    CalUrBLuFF33: calls 750
    titititi: calls 600
    *** FLOP *** [Jh 5d 7d]
    CalUrBLuFF33: checks
    titititi: bets 600
    drift_monkey: calls 600
    CalUrBLuFF33: calls 600
    *** TURN *** [Jh 5d 7d] [5h]
    CalUrBLuFF33: checks
    titititi: checks
    drift_monkey: bets 2400
    CalUrBLuFF33: folds
    titititi: calls 2400
    *** RIVER *** [Jh 5d 7d 5h] [Ks]
    titititi: bets 900
    drift_monkey: calls 900
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    titititi: shows [8h 8c] (two pair, Eights and Fives)
    drift_monkey: mucks hand
    titititi collected 11250 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 11250 | Rake 0
    Board [Jh 5d 7d 5h Ks]
    Seat 1: snoezie7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: drift_monkey mucked [Qd 9d]
    Seat 3: cacoochaooo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: CalUrBLuFF33 (small blind) folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: titititi (big blind) showed [8h 8c] and won (11250) with two pair, Eights and Fives
    Seat 6: cavalcante25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    i kno fold preflop woulda been decent but i was feelin this hand
  2. odstore odstore is offline

    Cleveland, OH
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    Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 12:13am) in reply to DriftMonkey

    I raise that bullshit donk bet a ton, especially when your hand is so strong.
  3. 13Jayhawk13 13Jayhawk13 is offline

    Olathe, KS
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    Sep 22nd, 2009 (9/22/2009 12:13pm) in reply to DriftMonkey

    Well, sure you mighta gotten a fold, but what would your bluff have represented? Preflop, you raise from EMP so your range is almost any pair, AJs+, AQo+, 78s+ and that's about it.

    On the flop you just called, so I'm putting you on AJd+ (shouldn't AJo isolate the raiser?), pairs, 88-TT (JJ should probably isolate).

    What does your turn bet indicate? Not sure what the purpose of this bet was unless you have AJd, most flush draws should be checking to see a free card and it doesn't really make much sense to bet this 5.

    On the river, I can't comprehend why you called, but whatever. The guy called you preflop oop and pretty much showed a moderate amount strength the entire way and then put in a nice value bet. Yes, if you are gonna do anything after his river bet it is either shove or fold, so I guess you shoulda shoved, but if he's a thinking player (which he probably isn't since this is a $2 buyin) he's simply never going to put you on a hand that beats him and he should call your missed flush.

    Imo, thinking you shoulda shoved is results oriented.
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