cofkin sign, there is obv a bunch of ridic shit going on.

 

Originally Posted by arbianight

Him and everyone associated with him should be banned.

change this to everyone who helped him, and i agree.
i assume mrcasino and bax/sheets were transferring funds to each other due to their backing deal, but this doesn't mean bax and/or sheets should be banned. There needs to be proof that others helped him before others get banned. Obv, it's looking like jasongray knew, but i'm not sure if others were banned from all this. I'm sure stars will make the correct decisions though, as they did in the JJ stuff.
anyone else doing similar stuff really does need to reconsider what they are doing though, this is getting ridiculous.

Glad you said it, spot on, but shhhhhh they would rather gather en masse and tell you how horrible you are at poker etc.

The difference between Sheets/Bax and the entire JJ Prodigy crew is clear. Sheets Bax are members in good standing and weren't involved in any shady activities.

JJ Prodigy is clearly not a member in good standing, his stakees knew this well in advance, plus they aided and abetted his further committing of fraud upon the community, plus several of them violated the tos themselves.

stars made a tragic mistake in reinstating the accounts of some of these players, and moreover they should have seized the money from all of these accounts.

Supposedly JJ Prodigy had no funds on Stars to redistribute to those cheated when he multi accounted, yet he played a 10K WCOOP event the week before his yet again coming clean thread.

Moreover, Stars allowed those complicit with JJ to keep their ill gotten funds even though they knew a large majority of it was going back to JJ Prodigy.

Then, to add insult to injury we have to be fed a line of bullshit that JJ claims he was broke because he bankrolled YTIU in high stakes cash games, yet the very next week he and his stakees were all playing in the WSOPE

Now we have the Jason Gray clan etc, and if they reinstate any of their accounts it will diminish the integrity of online poker and Poker Stars.

All of this because some idiots keep claiming there are gray areas/you can't stop it etc.

Bullshit. Seize the funds of people proven to have cheated, and if they make new accounts keep seizing all of their funds, period, fuck them.

 

Originally Posted by lockdownpokah

if you are a good enough player.. all the soft playing, colluding, etc will have minimal or no effect on your results in tournament NL holdem

it has gotten out of hand yes, but i would suggest shifting your focus on winning as opposed to making sure certain people get punished who broke the rules

hmmm you cant be serious?

yeah im serious.. how could u argue against that?
show me some instances where you have personally been colluded against that affected you?
sure people can softplay so that people can steal blinds, but thats about it

and i am not talking about MAing.. bc that's totally different

plz quit life.

 

Originally Posted by lockdownpokah

if you are a good enough player.. all the soft playing, colluding, etc will have minimal or no effect on your results in tournament NL holdem

it has gotten out of hand yes, but i would suggest shifting your focus on winning as opposed to making sure certain people get punished who broke the rules

Wow.....just wow. I'm dumber for having read that post.

Who's to say that the same crap isn't going on at the lower stakes? There's a shit load of money to be made by cheaters and the "funny" part is, because it's low stakes and no one really gives a shit, they would likely get away with it( if they aren't already). You are right, elusively, that there is not accountability and I agree with another poster that said the funds from these jerk-offs ought to be confiscated.

 

Originally Posted by ANTIHERO

You cant hold him accountable for his brother's actions.

You're right, you cannot hold him accountable for his brothers actions.

You can however, hold him accountable for his actions. There is a 0% chance he didn't know what was going on. Yes, it is his brother. Yes, it's a TERRIBLE spot for him to be in, pretty much doesn't get any worse, but it is what it is. While I sympathize with his situation, he's probably smart enough to know that as far as poker players and the poker sites are concerned, he was wrong. In terms of life and family, what he did was absolutely the correct thing, but let's try to keep them separate while discussing what the appropriate punishment should be.

I would never rat anyone in my family or close circle of friends out, EVER. In doing this, I would understand that I'm setting myself up for what might be a more severe punishment because I was not forthcoming with information. It's not rocket science, it's actually very standard. You narc or make a deal, you get less time. You keep your mouth shut and you go to jail. The decision is your and should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

 

Originally Posted by Willing2Die

 

Originally Posted by lockdownpokah

if you are a good enough player.. all the soft playing, colluding, etc will have minimal or no effect on your results in tournament NL holdem

it has gotten out of hand yes, but i would suggest shifting your focus on winning as opposed to making sure certain people get punished who broke the rules

Wow.....just wow. I'm dumber for having read that post.

explain to me how it will affect your results.. plz do
it goes on in nearly every major tourny
yet it has not affected any of my results
so feel free to show me how it has affected you

my point is why worry about the shit you cannot control
im sure bitching about it has made you a better player though

the people who are doing this will eventually be caught by the site
it's very obvious when people chip dump
and for the record, im not defending colluding, etc.. just dont see why people complain continuously when they cant do anything about it
either way, you are a winning player, so it shouldnt bother you that much

i do agree and understand with what you are saying... and u make a good argument

but the odds of getting deep in a tourny against 2 friends who are close enough of friends and trust each other (bc im sure the ppl have to worry who they collude with so they won snitch on them down the road) and are at the same table and catch the hands of which they can work together to knock YOU out or corrupt your game is so unlikely to happen. even if this were to happen where they were at ur table colluding, you still have to win the big allins. it's not like when you get shortstacked you are raise/folding and having. and its not like these guys can 3bet you, then their friend 4bet allin and the guy fold without being commited. the most they can do is steal blinds, which is hard nowadays bc ppl 3bet very often

sorry for rambling on

i think that yes, it does give them a slight advantage, but it doesnt put you at a very big disadvantage as you might think

Br is the man.....good luck with your prop bet tomorrow.....you know I am pulling !!

Elusively are you telling me that even if he knew his brother was cheating that it is his duty to turn him in. I would sure hope not!!! If you wana just keep silent and not participate in cheating yourself than i think you are in the OK 100%. People should not be required to report crime, we have freedom of speach we should also have freedom of silence. Even if Jason was aware of his brother's actions there is no evidence that he cheated himself. Knoledge is not even close to the same as action IMO.