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  1. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:11pm)

    Is this a super std call or is hero mucking?

    Seat 1: Flaton78 (8,285)
    Seat 2: prettymandalay (2,135)
    Seat 6: Solid AB (1,830)
    Seat 7: Matt1040 (1,250)
    prettymandalay posts the small blind of 100
    Solid AB posts the big blind of 200
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Solid AB [3s Ad]
    Matt1040 folds
    Flaton78 folds
    prettymandalay raises to 2,135, and is all in
    Solid AB has 15 seconds left to act
    Solid AB ??
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  2. pharreal87 pharreal87 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:12pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    insta call.
  3. Iplaythabored Iplaythabored is offline ghost writer

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:14pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    muck it
     
  4. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:14pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    fold
     
  5. iTakeUALLin iTakeUALLin is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:15pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    i have no idea how to do any of the numbers, but i'm folding here all day
  6. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:16pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    keep em comin... i rly thought this was a std fold, but i never play STTs (this is obv from a 9-man btw)
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  7. MasturNate MasturNate is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:16pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    i think its a fold
  8. rocksolid124 rocksolid124 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:17pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    Personally, I think it's a really easy fold, but it's been a while since I've played sngs.
  9. kamikazzee63 kamikazzee63 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:18pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    fold
  10. iTakeUALLin iTakeUALLin is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:26pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    because of Matts stack, you shouldn't really be calling with anything. i don't know pretty, but i'd have to assume calling off with A3 is no bueno
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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:27pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    i would insta-fold in this situation
  12. -BlackFours- -BlackFours- is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:28pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    in an sng this is an insta fold i believe
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  13. stoicao stoicao is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:29pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    std lol
  14. smheilbron smheilbron is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:29pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    i call
  15. moriAArty moriAArty is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:42pm) in reply to smheilbron

    Taking chip stacks into account, insta fold. How is this a call?
  16. shanetrain22 shanetrain22 is offline

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    Oct 1st, 2008 (10/1/2008 10:58pm) in reply to shanetrain22

    It's a fold even if the SB is playing optimally & therefore shoving ATC. I always forget about that holdem resources site. Thx for the replies yall.

    <table border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="2"><tbody><tr><th width="40">PU</th><th width="40">CA</th><th width="40">OC</th><th>Range</th></tr><tr><td>CO</td><td>17.9%, 22+ A7s+ A5s-A4s ATo+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>8.3%, 66+ ATs+ AJo+ KQs </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>1.8%, JJ+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>7.2%, 77+ AJs+ AJo+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>2.6%, TT+ AKs </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>10.0%, 55+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs </td></tr><tr><td>BU</td><td>100.0%, Any two</td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>2.7%, 99+ </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>0.5%, AA </td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>3.2%, 88+ </td></tr><tr><td>SB</td><td>100.0%, Any two</td></tr><tr><td>BB</td><td>16.0%, 55+ A5s+ A8o+ K9s+ KJo+ QJs </td></tr></tbody></table>
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  17. 8888kush 8888kush is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:10am) in reply to kamikazzee63

     
    Originally Posted by kamikazzee63 View Post

    fold

  18. TwystedPair TwystedPair is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:16am) in reply to 8888kush

     
    Originally Posted by 8888kush View Post

     
    Originally Posted by kamikazzee63 View Post

    fold

  19. elendil elendil is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:25am) in reply to TwystedPair

    On the Bubble with a Shorter Stack, Insta Fold.
  20. Protogen Protogen is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:25am) in reply to TwystedPair

     
    Originally Posted by TwystedPair View Post

     
    Originally Posted by 8888kush View Post

     
    Originally Posted by kamikazzee63 View Post

    fold

  21. bertminatti bertminatti is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:27am) in reply to shanetrain22

    Yeah at this point you're playing survivor against the othr two short stacks. This is an ezzzzzzz fold
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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 12:32am) in reply to Protogen

    at best you are 60/40 here if he has something like 2 broadways, but more than likely given his stack and the fact that its the bubble, your either dominated w/ a better ace or he has a PP and your 40/60... very very standard fold
  23. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 2:06am) in reply to shanetrain22

    How to analyse this hand in full (against the player who isn't shoving any two):

    Go here and put in the stack sizes and prizes, to calculate your equity if you fold (I'll assume this is a $55 with prizes of 247.50/148.50/99.00:

    http://www.poker-tools-online.com/icm.html

    You'll get:

    <TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Player</TH><TH>Chips</TH><TH>Prob 1st</TH><TH>Prob 2nd</TH><TH>Prob 3rd</TH><TH>Equity</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Hero
    </TD><TD>1630.000000</TD><TD>0.1207</TD><TD>0.2294</TD><TD>0.3205</TD><TD>$95.67</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>pretty
    </TD><TD>2335.000000</TD><TD>0.1730</TD><TD>0.3162</TD><TD>0.3088</TD><TD>$120.34</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>flaton78
    </TD><TD>8285.000000</TD><TD>0.6137</TD><TD>0.2752</TD><TD>0.0930</TD><TD>$201.98</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>matt1040
    </TD><TD>1250.000000</TD><TD>0.0926</TD><TD>0.1792</TD><TD>0.2777</TD><TD>$77.01</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    Figure out how much equity you'll have if you lose (obv $0).

    Figure out how much equity you'll need if you win

    <TABLE border=1><TBODY><TR><TH>Player</TH><TH>Chips</TH><TH>Prob 1st</TH><TH>Prob 2nd</TH><TH>Prob 3rd</TH><TH>Equity</TH></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>Hero
    </TD><TD>3630.000000</TD><TD>0.2695</TD><TD>0.4644</TD><TD>0.2337</TD><TD>$158.80</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>pretty
    </TD><TD>305.000000</TD><TD>0.0226</TD><TD>0.0468</TD><TD>0.1475</TD><TD>$27.17</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow><TD>flaton
    </TD><TD>8285.000000</TD><TD>0.6151</TD><TD>0.3041</TD><TD>0.0754</TD><TD>$204.85</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow><TD>matt1040
    </TD><TD>1250.000000</TD><TD>0.0928</TD><TD>0.1847</TD><TD>0.5434</TD><TD>$104.18</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    You risk $95.67 to win $63.13.

    Next, divide Risk/(Risk+Possible Gain)

    95.67/158.80 = 60.25%.

    That's how often you must win to break even on your call.

    Then go here:

    http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...+here&e=60

    and put in his shoving range.

    It will tell you which hands win often enough to justify a call.

    If he is shoving 100%, you can call with the hands that you figured out using the Nash ICM Calculator.

    If pretty is not a player who understands he can abuse this situation, and is shoving a more typical 30%, you are going to need a much tighter {TT+, AQ+} here to make the call.

    In general, if you are not in last place on the bubble, but you are covered, you need a ridiculously tight range to call a shove, and A3o will nearly never suffice.

    Hope that helps!
  24. L0bstaM0bsta L0bstaM0bsta is offline OT Podcast Host

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 2:07am) in reply to Jennifear

    I don't know any of that shit but I do know you cannot call there ever
  25. rexmundi1337 rexmundi1337 is offline

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    Oct 2nd, 2008 (10/2/2008 2:14am) in reply to Jennifear

    jennifear, thanks for those links. i feel like something just clicked.
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