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I thought I had F/E.....guess not.

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  1. Dick Hertz Dick Hertz is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 12:59am)

    ok deep in the $3r and this guy has been raising 2-4 hands per round so i try this.

    Did I make a horrible mistake here? I had been on a short stack for a little while and I thought I finally had enough chips to make a play on him.
    He instacalls my shove.

    pokerstars Game #15275240865: Tournament #77010198, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit -
    Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2008/02/14 - 01:40:09 (ET)
    Table '77010198 51' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: mothermayeye (862100 in chips)
    Seat 3: amby11 (298802 in chips)
    Seat 4: lightfoot62 (289373 in chips)
    Seat 5: brelandas57 (940300 in chips)
    Seat 7: wreckapumpum (446380 in chips)
    Seat 8: Dick Hertz (222712 in chips)
    Seat 9: JAMROX (146386 in chips)
    mothermayeye: posts the ante 1200
    amby11: posts the ante 1200
    lightfoot62: posts the ante 1200
    brelandas57: posts the ante 1200
    wreckapumpum: posts the ante 1200
    Dick Hertz: posts the ante 1200
    JAMROX: posts the ante 1200
    wreckapumpum: posts small blind 6000
    Dick Hertz: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Dick Hertz [4s 5c]
    JAMROX: folds
    mothermayeye: folds
    amby11: raises 24000 to 36000
    Matze-Snake is connected
    tabbgesse is connected
    lightfoot62 has timed out
    lightfoot62: folds
    lightfoot62 is sitting out
    brelandas57: folds
    wreckapumpum: folds
    Dick Hertz: raises 185512 to 221512 and is all-in
    amby11: calls 185512
    *** FLOP *** [Jc Kd 2h]
    *** TURN *** [Jc Kd 2h] [7d]
    *** RIVER *** [Jc Kd 2h 7d] [5d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Dick Hertz: shows [4s 5c] (a pair of Fives)
    amby11: shows [7s Ts] (a pair of Sevens)
    lightfoot62 has returned
    amby11 collected 457424 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 457424 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc Kd 2h 7d 5d]
    Seat 2: mothermayeye folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: amby11 showed [7s Ts] and won (457424) with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 4: lightfoot62 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: brelandas57 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: wreckapumpum (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: Dick Hertz (big blind) showed [4s 5c] and lost with a pair of Fives
    Seat 9: JAMROX folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:02am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    The frequency of his raises isn't a big factor here.

    It's how often he is folding to reraises.

    A guy who raises 10% of the time but calls a reraise with only with the top 40% of the hands he raises with is a very, very good resteal target.

    A guy who raises 50% of the time, but calls a reraise with the top 80% of the hands he raises with is a very, very bad resteal target.

    This guy was guy #2
  3. kmil420 kmil420 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:02am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    had you seen him fold to any reraises?
  4. Arobinson11 Arobinson11 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:02am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    You have plenty of FE against a non-retarded person.
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  5. JmL1984 JmL1984 is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:02am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    HOORRIIDDD call on his part.
  6. Dick Hertz Dick Hertz is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:07am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    Thx for the replies. I forgot to mention in my original post that I had seen him fold to a push before.
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  7. headnick headnick is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 1:13am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    I think the fact he raised in early position warrants you to put him on a tighter range, regardless of him pushing the table around. If he raised you from the button or SB you can pretty much shove with any two cards but not from this spot. I like to wait for at least a PP or Q 10s + even to shove on a late raiser, however, I know alot of players will use the same range as you.

    This guy is an idiot for calling your shove which nearly puts your post in the bad beat category, but that's another story.
  8. Cashweekly Cashweekly is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 2:03am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    U got unlucky...He was sooted!!

    Kinda loooks like he had somewhere to go...He went out just a few places after you......
  9. Frank1The1Tank Frank1The1Tank is offline

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    Feb 14th, 2008 (2/14/2008 3:43am) in reply to Dick Hertz

    I think its a bad shove against someone opening in early/mid right there. Even if he is pretty lag, he will probably open tighter there usually. Also the thing about shoving on lags, as they will call you signifcantly tighter than other players as they don't want to get pushed around and want to prevent people from shoving over his raises. Having said that his call was horrible given your range of shoving over an EP raiser.
     
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