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  1. jeppg1111 jeppg1111 is offline

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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 7:55pm)

    I haven't watched a poker video in some time. Today, I decided to watch one, covering super turbos. My sng game needs work.

    Anyway, In this particular video, instructor picks up a3 off in the cutoff, with 6.5 BB....It was 8 handed at the time.....Instructor folded, um is this fold not losing a ton of value in an ST???????

    Found another one: 5 handed, with 10x UTG with a9 off...I auto shove both of these hands, and instructor folded both.

    What u guys think about these two spots?
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:03pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    hand 1 shove

    hand 2 fold
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:07pm) in reply to swd805

    like a muthafuckin robot, robot.
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:08pm) in reply to swd805

     
    Originally Posted by swd805 View Post

    hand 1 shove

    hand 2 fold

    accurate, think i know who this instructor is your talking about 2
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:11pm) in reply to T Money

    No one can give you a proper response because you havent told us the antes, the payout structure, or stack sizes.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:13pm) in reply to Zota15

    no antes in a ST on FT.....top 3 paid. Stack sizes may be important in 2nd scenario but, in first hand.....it's 8 handed, u have 6.5 BB in CO, i don't think any other stack sizes are significant
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:14pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    it has alot to do with the size of the stacks in the blinds... i'm asuming we're talking about FTP's super turbos.. i prob. jam 1st hand.. and muck the 2nd.. but on hand 1 if the button is stacked up, and both blinds are short, i fold.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:22pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    The elevater dont go to the top floor does it
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:25pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    I assume you are saying he has 260 chips at 20/40...
    8 handed in the cutoff I am comfortable folding that... depending on who is in the blinds.

    Second hand is prolly always a fold.

    we've played hundreds of games together and i always thought you were a bit light with meh aces in certain spots... but we both win despite playing it differently.
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:29pm) in reply to zander

    i dont win in Super Turbos, it's baffling to me that 6.5x BB is not a jam in the cutoff with a3 off everytime...

    I've never used a Poker Stover software, or anything like it, maybe I should start
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:38pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    A3 is certainly a plus ev chip wise shove....maybe he just thinks there are better spots?
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:44pm) in reply to zander

    Exact blinds and stack size would be more useful, imo. If it's 255 chips at 20/40 from the CO with A3, I shove, but it's closer than you think. I disagree with the instructor here. If the blinds are 15/30 here I can't fold fast enough.

    The 2nd one is a clear fold. You underestimate the power of position. In lots of end game situations in the STTs you can shove ATC almost always with 10 bbs or lessfrom the SB (I choose not to most of the time only because I don't want regs pegging me doing this) and can only shove very, very good hands UTG. Position is key all through these games.

    This is the way I look at it. Shoving through 4 people instead of 1 means there is 4x as much of a chance that someone will call with AA, KK, QQ, AK ect. The hands that are actually calling are ALL beating you. This is why it's not profitable to raise through lots of players unless your STACK SIZE indicates as such. 7-10 BBs means I have time in STTs. If I have 4-6 BBs, the value from taking an uncontested pot, even including the risk of being called and beaten, increases my stack size by a very large percent.

    When you shove with a big stack (8-10 bbs) from an early position your value is not gained by taking the blinds since it is such a small portion of your stack, it's gained by having players call with hands you are ahead of (AQ+ over A8 type hands or whatever these donks are calling my EP raises with).
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 8:58pm) in reply to Scarypooper

    very good post scary, gave me some confidence to get back grinding hard. I'm gonna start sharpening up my ST game, I hope. a lot of what u said makes sense, and a lot of it I already understood, but u made some valid points.

    thanks for all inputs fellas
     
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 9:17pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    fwiw...just because an instructor does something, it doesn't mean it was correct
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:09pm) in reply to Gags30

    Not saying what's right or wrong, but 2 BB's is like deep stacked in these things. You can seriously generate FE w/ a 1.5BB stack in the super turb sng's. Like gags said (I think) just because an instructor does something a certain way doesn't solidify in stone the move being profitable or not.

    FWIW I find it easier to really pick apart shorter stack shoving ranges and play real aggressive on the bubble when I have chips. Also shoving a lot wider when it folds to me in any LP when I still have plenty of FE against shorter stacks. Everyone prob knows this, just my .2
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    Oct 14th, 2009 (10/14/2009 11:17pm) in reply to jeppg1111

    what site is doing "Super_Turbo" vids?
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 6:21am) in reply to Burying_Luck

     
    Originally Posted by Burying_Luck View Post

    Not saying what's right or wrong, but 2 BB's is like deep stacked in these things. You can seriously generate FE w/ a 1.5BB stack in the super turb sng's. Like gags said (I think) just because an instructor does something a certain way doesn't solidify in stone the move being profitable or not.

    FWIW I find it easier to really pick apart shorter stack shoving ranges and play real aggressive on the bubble when I have chips. Also shoving a lot wider when it folds to me in any LP when I still have plenty of FE against shorter stacks. Everyone prob knows this, just my .2

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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 7:31am) in reply to BLUEberLEEZ

     
    Originally Posted by Blueberleez View Post

    you overpaid 18 lincolns

    lol
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    Oct 15th, 2009 (10/15/2009 8:30am) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    fwiw...just because an instructor does something, it doesn't mean it was correct

    unless it was jennifear..... (just saying)
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    Oct 16th, 2009 (10/16/2009 4:54am) in reply to SeRvE_VolleY

     
    Originally Posted by SeRvE_VolleY View Post

    what site is doing "Super_Turbo" vids?

    watched it on stoxpoker, i get free membership there and CR when I earn like 8500 FTP points in a given month???? I think that's how it works

    SICK BRAG i kno
     
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