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which icm calculators are able to calculate for 18 man tournies? (also push/fold question)

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  1. ch1pwrecked ch1pwrecked is offline

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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 7:15am)

    I have sngwiz but it will only let me do steps style stts or regular 3 payout formats for pokerstars structure and i want to be able to compute this kind of scenario from an 18 man 4 payout... did i make the right play?

    PokerStars Game #22076434074: Tournament #120788402, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2008/11/15 21:17:49 ET
    Table '120788402 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: newhope2005 (4585 in chips)
    Seat 2: charlie426 (8545 in chips)
    Seat 3: bk1285 (7910 in chips)
    Seat 6: SmokinPurple (5960 in chips)
    newhope2005: posts the ante 50
    charlie426: posts the ante 50
    bk1285: posts the ante 50
    SmokinPurple: posts the ante 50
    charlie426: posts small blind 400
    bk1285: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to newhope2005 [9s Kc]
    SmokinPurple: folds
    newhope2005: raises 3735 to 4535 and is all-in
    charlie426: folds
    bk1285: calls 3735
    *** FLOP *** [2d 5d 4c]
    *** TURN *** [2d 5d 4c] [Jd]
    *** RIVER *** [2d 5d 4c Jd] [7h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    bk1285: shows [As 9c] (high card Ace)
    newhope2005: shows [9s Kc] (high card King)
    bk1285 collected 9670 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 9670 | Rake 0
    Board [2d 5d 4c Jd 7h]
    Seat 1: newhope2005 (button) showed [9s Kc] and lost with high card King
    Seat 2: charlie426 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: bk1285 (big blind) showed [As 9c] and won (9670) with high card Ace
    Seat 6: SmokinPurple folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. Jennifear Jennifear is offline

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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 7:59am) in reply to ch1pwrecked

    ICM Calculator: 5 places

    ICM Calculator: 10 places
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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 10:04am) in reply to Jennifear

    Thanks Jen
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  4. ch1pwrecked ch1pwrecked is offline

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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 10:10am) in reply to ch1pwrecked

    Ha, not quite as easy to use though!

    Ive tried to compute it for the situation above but it wont let me insert blinds etc so I dont know how to figure it.

    Anyone know the short answer?
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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 12:59pm) in reply to ch1pwrecked

    Nash ICM Push/Fold Calculator

    ^^Here's another. Change the structure to meet 18 mans.
    (4,3,2,1) should work for most sites.

    Here's the Nash Equilibrium for this spot:

    <TABLE class=simple cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=3 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD>BU</TD><TD><TD><TD>33.9%, 22+ Ax+ K5s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J7s+ JTo T7s+ T9o 97s+ 86s+ 76s<<hands you can shove </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>SB</TD><TD><TD>14.6%, 44+ A5s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo <<proper calling range for SB</TD></TR><TR><TD><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD>2.6%, TT+ AKs </TD></TR><TR><TD><TD>BB</TD><TD><TD>20.5%, 33+ A2s+ A5o+ KTs+ KJo+ QTs+ <<proper calling range for BB</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    Three other considerations:

    1. If you feel that the blinds have tighter calling ranges than 14.6/20.5%, then you can shove more hands, and therefore that moves K9o into shove territory.

    2. With 5.7BBs your FE is fading fast and that had to be a consideration.

    3. If you get called and win, you'll have the lead, and be able to abuse the situation, so your true equity will be greater than it is on paper.

    With those other factors in play, I'm shoving this unless I think they are calling too wide.

    Link to this hand: ICM Nash Calculator Results

    Note: In the future, with 4 remaining in an 18-man SNG with payouts of (108,81,54,27) you can still use SNG wiz. Just remove 4th place money from all the places and input the prizes as (81,54,27).

    Hope that helps!
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    Nov 16th, 2008 (11/16/2008 5:13pm) in reply to Jennifear

    That's absolutely golden Jen, thanks for taking the time to write that out: im having a bit of a killer month having played 1000+ games and -$400 despite feeling on top of my game as much as I ever have been - hence the questions. I know this kind of downswing is practically inevitable but it has led me to analyse absolutely everything which is why im trying to go over and over these kinds of situations.

    If I find you looking for answers I will certainly try to help!
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