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  1. Jimmyj12 Jimmyj12 is offline

    Donnybrook
    Ireland

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    Dec 28th, 2007 (12/28/2007 9:17am)

    Hello there! I decided to bring this hand up for discussion because I thought it was a particularly interesting spot, and because of this I decided to try my hand at some calculations. It's a pretty complicated one, but I feel like I could learn alot from doing it, and I want to share my thoughts with you.

    Ok, so this is the bubble of a $60 45 man turbo, the bigstack is shoving 90% of hands and is killing the table, he seems to know what's going on in terms of bubble play. When he shoves here it's gonna be any two, and so I gave him that range on pokerstove.

    Melikman, however, from my limited experience with him wasn't shoving in spots I would consider easy shoves. His range here is sososo tight that I actually considered folding, but under further consideration put it at AKs,AKo,QQ+

    Here's what pokerstove gave me :

    equity win tie pots won pots tied

    Hand 0: 15.030% 14.82% 00.21% 28873762164 408393288.00 { random }
    Hand 1: 36.993% 34.94% 02.05% 68072273568 3997968426.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
    Hand 2: 47.977% 45.96% 02.01% 89547364692 3922762374.00 { KK }

    Ok, so I have 45%ish equity against these ranges.

    I tried looking at ICM but my head started hurting after the first few articles. Is this a call according to ICM? Or is this too complicated a situation to apply ICM?

    pokerstars Game #14121071119: Tournament #71676376, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2007/12/26 - 21:38:47 (ET)
    Table '71676376 5' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: boca2004 (4690 in chips)
    Seat 2: Poodle59 (7317 in chips)
    Seat 3: Dunkelb1 (904 in chips)
    Seat 5: husky808 (3635 in chips)
    Seat 6: Sisnje (35275 in chips)
    Seat 7: melikman (8230 in chips)
    Seat 8: 3tomake5 (3028 in chips)
    Seat 9: Rockytherock (4421 in chips)
    boca2004: posts the ante 75
    Poodle59: posts the ante 75
    Dunkelb1: posts the ante 75
    husky808: posts the ante 75
    Sisnje: posts the ante 75
    melikman: posts the ante 75
    3tomake5: posts the ante 75
    Rockytherock: posts the ante 75
    3tomake5: posts small blind 800
    Rockytherock: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Rockytherock [Kc Ks]
    boca2004: folds
    Poodle59: folds
    Dunkelb1: folds
    husky808: folds
    Sisnje: raises 8000 to 9600
    melikman: calls 8155 and is all-in
    3tomake5: folds
    Rockytherock: calls 2746 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [2d 5h 3c]
    *** TURN *** [2d 5h 3c] [4h]
    *** RIVER *** [2d 5h 3c 4h] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Sisnje: shows [Jc 2h] (a pair of Deuces)
    melikman: shows [Qc Qd] (a pair of Queens)
    melikman collected 7618 from side pot
    Rockytherock: shows [Kc Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)
    Rockytherock collected 14438 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 22056 Main pot 14438. Side pot 7618. | Rake 0
    Board [2d 5h 3c 4h Kd]
    Seat 1: boca2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Poodle59 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Dunkelb1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: husky808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Sisnje showed [Jc 2h] and lost with a pair of Deuces
    Seat 7: melikman (button) showed [Qc Qd] and won (7618) with a pair of Queens
    Seat 8: 3tomake5 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Rockytherock (big blind) showed [Kc Ks] and won (14438) with three of a kind, Kings
     
  2. AceOfHobbes AceOfHobbes is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2007 (12/28/2007 9:32am) in reply to Jimmyj12

    Not sure why you wanted to use an ICM for this.
    You have KK with < 4BB. AutoShove.

    But lets say you have 8BB and TJs, that would be ideal for in your scenerio for ICM
  3. louiemdj louiemdj is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2007 (12/28/2007 9:37am) in reply to AceOfHobbes

    With a short stack like that, you have to shove every time with KK unless you just want to fold into the money.
  4. ferrengi ferrengi is offline

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    Dec 28th, 2007 (12/28/2007 10:44am) in reply to Jimmyj12

    I think the chipleader is making a mistake by shoving into stacks that are this short.
    Just about everyone at this table is priced in to call. People will fold their junk hands but their not gonna fold any average plus hand with such a short stack. J2o is about as bad a hand as you can have when you do get called.
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