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If Phil Ivey played online poker tournaments for one month...

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  1. 1.21Gigawatts 1.21Gigawatts is offline

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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:38pm)

    Say 6-7 tournaments a day, all on pokerstars. He plays the $100 rebuy, $50 rebuy, the $10 rebuy with 45K guaranteed, any tournament with a buy-in over $100, and two other tournaments thrown in that don't overlap the others... Plus the big Sunday tourney...

    Or if Phil Ivey doesn't do it for you, insert your own favorite pro. Mahatma, Daniel Negreanu, Howard Lederer, Green Plastic...

    Does he dominate the fields and final table at least two tournaments a day? Does he profit over $60K for the month? Does he win the $100 rebuy at least three times during the month?

    Or does the structure of online tournaments and the sometimes maniacal players hurt his chances? Do the bad players that he usually wouldn't encounter in a 10K event outdraw him early on? Would his game suffer?

    Would Phil Ivey make the best online players look like novices when he's finished at the end of the month? Would his PokerDB numbers just be too incredible to actually believe?
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:44pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    i dont think they would be anything special. Most f those guys live off reads, feeling, and betting patterns. Putting them online is the same as taking a top online player and putting him live. Takes a while to adapt. I dont see them beating the best of the online world but i do see them defiitly having numbers matching the top 10 ranked players here on p5.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:45pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    he would make a lot of money but would NOT final table an avg of 2 per day.

    I don't think it is feasible to final table 30% of tournaments unless they are under 200 at least.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:45pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    No to all of the above. No way anyone, and I do mean anyone, is FT 2 out of 6 tournaments A DAY with any sort of consistency. Especially the $100 and $50 rebuys due to their tough fields, but maybe even more so the $10R because its essentially a minefield.

    The only one I can see happening is making $60k a month, which is possible with a few big scores.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:46pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    there's no way he's going to FT 2 a day, win the 100 rebuy three times in a month, or make 60k in a month.

    he could theoretically do it but there's no way to produce those numbers on any kind of regular basis.
      

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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:47pm) in reply to truesyalose

    I think that if ivey played online for a month his results would make bax's look weak.

    But what do I know, I blow dead bears
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:49pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    Well, can you take the best online player (Bax for arguments sake) and see how he does in LIVE tournaments? Obviously, someone who is good at one is going to be good at the other. That said, they are different breeds of the same animal. Kind of similar from the transition from limit to no limit i'd think. I think Phil Ivey would do very well his first month, and better every one following. Would his first month just be unimaginable? It's hard to say.... It seems like you're asking if these superstar professionals are really really good and that online pros aren't when put side by side.

    When Barry Greenstein played under 'crazyplayer' during the WCOOP he did really well & went deep in one or two of the tournies. He mentioned while playing in one why he doesn't play more online being that 'there is more of an edge in live games'. This and the stakes aren't high enough.

    I feel a TLB race in the works.....
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:52pm) in reply to sketchy1

    Winning the $100 rebuy three times seems the most likely, as the typical $100R tournament throughout the week has between 90-100 (albeit toughest) players and the ability to amass a big stack early and play the rest of tournament with a comfortable M between 15-30.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:52pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    First off who is to say that there aren't donkeys in 10ks. Although I've never even attended one I have heard that there are donkeys, just less.

    Second we could look at a real life player, say Scott Fischman, who is on his way to being great(in my mind at least) and he has great success online.

    However its hard to say that he would make the top internet pros look like donkeys. As good as he is its hard to take down a lion in his den. Internet pros are pros because they are good, so its hard to say he would own them.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:52pm) in reply to bmac

    Also, if Phil Ivey was playing 7 tournies a day for less than $2000 in buy-ins, he wouldn't be able to take it seriously. That is ONE bet at his regular game. And he bets $60,000 on the swing of a golf club. Kind of like asking neverwin to sit down at the $0.25/0.50 Limit table & concentrate for 6 hours to make $20.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 7:57pm) in reply to bmac

    In this scenerio, pretend that Phil Ivey is playing for pride and money, so that he does take every single tournament seriously. Say someone like Doyle Brunson makes a bet with Phil that he can't dominate online play for a month, and they wager $1 million dollars. So there's a force driving Phil Ivey in each and every tournament.

    Because honestly, it's unreasonable to think a $8K first prize is going to motivate him at all.
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 8:04pm) in reply to 1.21Gigawatts

    I think if you put Ivey in a deepstack like the WCOOP, he would outperform all the online pros. As for the day to day 15 minute round tournys, I don't see him doing more than 5% better than the best online players, maybe more if his screename was 'I AM PHIL IVEY' & had an avatar of him holding all his braclets. An all-in fest on the 2-3 table bubble is just that.

    Plus we all know you can't bluff online players, so Ivey would be screwed.....
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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 8:06pm) in reply to MrClean

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    Nov 13th, 2005 (11/13/2005 8:10pm) in reply to bmac

    that is the best worst post ever

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    Oh wait....he does...

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