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I'm not very good at poker and this hand was kinda bothering me.(shankingyou=Team Florida Elite)

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  1. bigboybunk bigboybunk is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 11:43am)

    This player has been involved in a couple hands were he shipped his whole stack in to and early raiser so.....IDK I suck so tell me what you GOOD player think:)(oh and shankingyou is the shit)

    pokerstars Game #17209452209: Tournament #86176606, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (10000/20000) - 2008/05/04 - 22:30:24 (ET)
    Table '86176606 743' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: bigboybunk (345979 in chips)
    Seat 2: ekwity (475291 in chips)
    Seat 3: oasispirate (280974 in chips)
    Seat 4: awl_343 (873072 in chips)
    Seat 5: redhookesb (1018263 in chips)
    Seat 6: JT3013 (371248 in chips)
    Seat 7: GUS_CHASER (178256 in chips)
    Seat 8: jdmayan (234736 in chips)
    Seat 9: zabandija (166642 in chips)
    bigboybunk: posts the ante 2000
    ekwity: posts the ante 2000
    oasispirate: posts the ante 2000
    awl_343: posts the ante 2000
    redhookesb: posts the ante 2000
    JT3013: posts the ante 2000
    GUS_CHASER: posts the ante 2000
    jdmayan: posts the ante 2000
    zabandija: posts the ante 2000
    bigboybunk: posts small blind 10000
    ekwity: posts big blind 20000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to bigboybunk [8h 8s]
    oasispirate: folds
    awl_343: folds
    redhookesb: folds
    JT3013: folds
    GUS_CHASER: folds
    jdmayan: folds
    zabandija: folds
    bigboybunk: raises 40000 to 60000
    ekwity: calls 40000
    *** FLOP *** [7d Kc 2d]
    bigboybunk: checks
    ekwity: checks
    *** TURN *** [7d Kc 2d] [9h]
    bigboybunk: bets 80000
    ekwity: calls 80000
    *** RIVER *** [7d Kc 2d 9h] [2c]
    bigboybunk: checks
    ekwity: bets 140000
    bigboybunk:??????
  2. Kajun Kajun is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 11:48am) in reply to bigboybunk

    hmm I think he got the 9 or hit his set... I lay it down cause honestly what do u beat? A7?

    just my thoughts, I suck at poker
  3. bobhica_10 bobhica_10 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 11:49am) in reply to bigboybunk

    Im not very good either......I FOLD here.
  4. IbizaCF3 IbizaCF3 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 11:52am) in reply to bigboybunk

    Why check the flop? If you get popped at least you've defined where your hand is at a little more.
  5. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 11:57am) in reply to IbizaCF3

    Pls lead flop.

    As played I think i am folding the river, looks like a value town usa bet.
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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:12pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    its a tough spot becuase you played the hand so weakly after the flop its tough for him to put you on a pair. I would raise more preflop to begin with. You give him 2.5 -1 odds to call with position on you for the rest of the hand with a very vulnerable 88. By only raising to 60k you create a 138k pot with only 280K behind and you are playing out of position with 88...and you check a pretty dry flop which gives him the green light to take the pot from you. This is really one of those instances where I would make a very big raise preflop...I may even just shove it in....It defines your hand a bit, but you want to take away the ability for the bb to reshove your opening raise with marginal holdings like 10Jsuited, plus its just a difficult hand to play after the flop out of position because there's obviously going to be over cards on the board. there's 48k dead in the pot, I think I just shove it pre....its possible you could get a call with a worse hand, and most of the time you are racing.
  7. Crunk_Ninja Crunk_Ninja is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:13pm) in reply to ronkend

    perfect flop to lead out on imo
     
  8. Randers Randers is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:30pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    jam pre
     
  9. rochustler rochustler is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:37pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    hero call and win vs 10J
     
  10. Camstock Camstock is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:54pm) in reply to Randers

    Gonna have to agree with Randers here. M about 7 SB vs BB, 48k in the middle and you are already invested 12k I ship it in. If you're called you are most likely racing for a real decent stack, if he folds, you add a good percent to your stack. Do you really want to see a flop with 88 oop?
  11. People_Mover People_Mover is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 12:55pm) in reply to Randers

    bet flop shove turn
     
  12. pokerjamers pokerjamers is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 1:19pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    bet / call the flop. also, you lose soooo much value in your hand by overbet shoving here bvb with 88 as randers said.
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  13. mig.com mig.com is offline Hero Poker Pro

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 1:20pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    Your raise pf is good I definitely do not like a shove. Your hand is very strong blind vs blind so you give him a chance to make a mistake and try to resteal pf. Sometimes he will call and it will be tricky to play it postflop but you dont want to give up ev just to make things safe for yourself.

    Postflop the way its played without a specific read on the guy I probably fold. In general I would bet the flop tho.

    Edit actually now that I look closer at the hand I think I might call river. It seems likely that many people will bet the flop with Kx when you check to them and its pretty rare in the sunday million for someone to vb thinly on the river with 9x. So considering the sick odds you are getting I probably call river.
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  14. The Caretaker The Caretaker is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 2:26pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    Im thinking A2 is a possibilty here calls in position pre

    checks bottom on flop

    doesnt beleive your turn bet, makes very marginal call

    hits trips and hopes to get paid off?

    i think he bets k or 7 on flop,

    think hes got the 2 or nothing at all
     
  15. jirkman69 jirkman69 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 2:40pm) in reply to mig.com

    So say you Cbet the flop and get flatted do you shove the turn or pretty much chk/fold?
  16. ronkend ronkend is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:06pm) in reply to The Caretaker

    ok now that i think about it.......doesn't leading the turn turn your hand into a bluff? The only action you get is obv a hand that has you beat, but if you go into check/call mode post flop you can get value from your hand when your opponent stabs at the pot, of course read dependant.
  17. BrokenTPot BrokenTPot is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:17pm) in reply to ronkend

    i lead flop for 72 K and reevaluate. no way you can check here.
     
  18. rivverkiller rivverkiller is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:19pm) in reply to ronkend

    Call river. Nothing really makes sense on this board. With your stack, most pocketpairs he's going to get it in pre. Most kings he's betting the flop with. He could be defending his bb with A9 maybe but that's all that would really make sense on this board. Also with the line you took, and your weakish turn bet, I'm bluffing this river a lot if I'm villain.
     
  19. bigboybunk bigboybunk is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:40pm) in reply to rivverkiller

    My line of thinking was i felt i had the best hand for sure pre so when the board came K high with 2 diamonds yes i felt i had the best hand still but wasnt sure plus im out position and with that board he is capable of bluffing me off my hand.So whenhe checked i felt 98% sure he didnt a King.So the turn brings an off suit 9 now i stil feel i have the best hand so i bet 80k because if he was trapping with a king he for sure rasies here not lettin me get a free one to outdraw.So when he flatts my intetion was to check/call any river bet so when he the 2 hit I check expecting him to ether check/valuebet/ but he quickley pot committs himself fucking my read up.I almost caaled him and belive i should have as I told a couple of my freinds.But guess i didnt go with my gut and it cost me.P.S Im not very good and special thanks to a couple of good very good poker players who chimed in on this thread whos game i really respect.

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  20. Imustcall Imustcall is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 3:54pm) in reply to mig.com

    Triple B!!! Great meeting you in Tampa. I hear that may be a quarterly event.

    Tough spot. I think the preflop call would indicate a weaker hand such as Q10,KJ or a monster.... QQ,KK or AA. Usually any other PP or A9-AK will raise back.

    This being the case, I invest a flop bet, as you are an aggressive player, and AK is a likely holding for you. If you get repopped, you will still have about 10BB if you decide to fold. If you get called, you can 3 barrel the turn or check fold. If you don't get moved in on the flop, I would lean towards a shove on the turn, as this would fit a bluff or a big hand.

    As played, your turn bet is basically saying "I have a hand, just not a king.....or 3 of them." The villians call is less likely a K and more likely a draw that developed.

    Checking the river is the right play here. Problem being, this bet seems to be a missed draw, but if you are wrong, you are effectively out of the tourney. I say call on the river, as a missed draw seems more likely. It will suck when he shows a made hand, but a made hand just doesn't make sense here unless it is a set of kings.

    For the most part (and I know because I do it), the hand got away from you, and you started reacting versus having a gameplan for the hand.

    Either way, I'm still a huge Triple B fan.
  21. Imustcall Imustcall is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:00pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    BBB,

    I replied earlier in the post. The nine could have been a bad card for you, but I still think a draw developed. Don't beat yourself up, that was a tough spot.
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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:07pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    Bet the flop plzzzzzzzzz
     
  23. JKamikazeKid JKamikazeKid is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:14pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    Your best bet here would have been to bet on the flop. Your check on the flop just screams "I don't have a K". He flat calls the weakish bet of 80K when the 9 hits and bets 140K on the river when the board pairs 2's. He's either made a set of 2's (A-2) or has A-9.

    A bigger raise preflop or betting the flop would have been your better options. Raising to 60K preflop gives the BB every reason to defend his blind...being OOP, this should have been played more aggressively.

    Preflop: Calling 40K into an 88K pot (> 2:1 pot odds)

    Turn: Calls 80K in a 168K pot (> 2:1 pot odds) ---> Your bet does look like a bluff attempt.

    Bets 140K in a 248K pot (this looks like a value bet)
  24. the_snail03 the_snail03 is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:16pm) in reply to JKamikazeKid

    limp pre
     
  25. JKamikazeKid JKamikazeKid is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:26pm) in reply to the_snail03

    If he limps pre, doesn't this give the BB an opportunity to steal the pot? Or are you saying if he tried to raise, then OP would re-raise?

    With a weakish 8-8, I'm not sure if OP wants to see a flop here....
  26. FishOnTilt FishOnTilt is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:34pm) in reply to JKamikazeKid

    bet 62k

    call shove

    profit

    as played i think ur check flop isnt too bad but ur turn bet is just alot of spew and i think its mandatory turn check/vbet most rivs if u opt. to not bet call this flop.
    oh and fold this riv, hes jammin draws on turn imo, also he pry checks behind flop with a K and might interpret ur flop check as weakness and hes just flatting turn with his Kx range and playing it as the nuts bc of this.
     
  27. comandr_cool comandr_cool is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:48pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    with the stack sizes being so sketchy, i like to limp pre in this spot alot and go for a limp reraise all in or just play the pot small out of position.

    and oh yeah didnt u ship the $300 6max like a week ago u sicko, thats only like my dream tourny to win.

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  28. TheGfactor TheGfactor is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 4:59pm) in reply to comandr_cool

    omg mig sighting
  29. Chimp__greg Chimp__greg is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 5:04pm) in reply to bigboybunk

    bet flop, fold river
     
  30. WillBG WillBG is offline

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    May 5th, 2008 (5/5/2008 5:23pm) in reply to Chimp__greg

    OP should call the river. Villan is just as likely to be bluffing a missed flush as he is to holding anything else.
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