Originally Posted by MarleyGroup

Hes always will be a fagot

FYP. People like him wouldn't have made such a huge splash and be where they are today if they hadn't gotten away with their garbage in the past. There are tons of people I know that have sick poker minds, and struggle to break even month to month, while idiots like him have their huge roll due to taking shortcuts. I would probably spit in his face if I ever had the chance, along with bonomo, and a few players here. Pretty sure anyone that knows a thing or two knows who I am talking about.

 

Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster

the lord forgives

and what grip said

Hey buddy, you been doing sick lately. Anyway, who is this lord you are talking about ? I need to know who to sell my soul to.

He cheated got caught and cheated again right? I kind of understand saying you'd rather play him on his account than a random account when you don't know it's him. But can you really say now that he's got his account he won't play on a random account? Because in the past that hasn't been the case. oh and Jungleman is a NLHE beast and even tho he called him a fish, to players that aren't in the top 1% of NLHE poker players in the world Mizzi has proved he's not a fish live and online.

 

Originally Posted by Grip

i dont really see how this is a bad thing, he was obviously playing under random names for the last few years, now he has his name back and everyone knows who's who. the way it should be. everyone hates on imper1um when theres hundreds others doing the same thing. like someone tell me who vamanovomaestr0 is, dudes played 2k tourneys since 8/4/2010. some clear ma that goes undetected and gets to play anonymously. the way i see it, bannings just make it tougher on everyone else and in most cases, benefit the player himself. welcome back imper1um

there are so many pathetic MAs nowadays, ppl really should try a lil harder when making their 2nd, 3rd, 4th or whatever #ed screenname. SNG_Blizzard.... lol

woah woah woah, you are misinterpreting what im saying. i dont know sorel, i dont like him or dislike him. and i dont think its ok that he cheats. my whole point was that i want to know who im playing against at all times. banning him doesnt stop the problem. hes gonna play on ftp no matter how many acccounts you ban. if anything, it promotes more cheating and multiaccounting. that being said, i dont know a proper way of punishing them for their actions. maybe take all their $ out of their accounts and keep the accounts valid would teach em a lesson? im not quite sure.

 

Originally Posted by grapsfan

If it were medically possible, I would have Weeen's babies.

At it's super-duper rose-colored-glasses best, Sorel is delusional about how much damage he did to other players and the reputation and integrity of the game. He makes it sound like FTP "took" $200k from him. That $200k wasn't yours in the first place, you fucking cheat.

Sorel is an unconscionable cheat and a liar. I am equally impressed and nauseated with how easily he's been able to survive stealing from everyone else in the online community, and yet people still like him, socialize with him at live events, etc. Hell, the cheater got a sponsorship over dozens of deserving pros who didn't take shortcuts long after everyone knew such things were unacceptable.

I believe we all deserve an explanation from FTP as to why the Imper1um account is back on.

i sent an email 3 weeks ago, still awaiting a response

it really is absurd. He even admitted to usurping their rules like 2 months ago. But fulltilt has been sending the message that they don't give a fuck about cheating for years so it's really not a surprise at all imho.

Grip - all the more reason he should be banned, he clearly doesn't care at all about the rules of the site or the game

 

Originally Posted by Weeeen

On so many levels this post worries me.

-So because he continued to cheat after getting banned, we should just throw our hands back up, give up, and forget past transgressions?

-100s of people did do this. Only a few that continued to do it. I could throw tons ofplayers under the bus that did do it at one time, but online poker was different then. Sorel was caught time and time again both on the forums, through his inability to AIM the right people, and through FTP. Instead of righting his wrong, he continued to just get caught. He thinks people hate him because they are jealous of him. No one gives a fuck about his success - people hate him because he continued to do things under our nose. He is just as bad as JJprodigy - the only difference is he's more social and friendly.

-When he "came clean" last year, he didn't even fully disclose. Did he forget the tightywhitey account (I forget the exact one, I think it was tightywhitey9), or did he just forget all the accounts he had that he just forgot to include that one? or the fact that he'd hop on skype with his broheims in front of other HSMTT regs and take over his horses' hands, right in front of them. Stealing equity is fun.

-No way Sorel gets to where he is in poker if he didn't have all that extra experience from buying accounts and having multiple entries. All that extra entries and experience in HSMTTs when it matters, and you don't think there's a massive edge he gained in that? The second time I final tabled the Sunday Million I felt like I had a massive edge over everyone. Can you imagine the edge if you just had random accounts at your disposal at any time?

-Think about the edge and money he's stolen from players. My shove range with 20bbs against FU_15 is much different than Roothlus if they are raising the button into my bb. Can you imagine having all those reads on those players, and them having no clue who you are? The edge is huge. He thinks that the tens of thousand of dollars or w/e that has been confiscated from him is justification for him wanting forgiveness. He wouldn't have had that money confiscated if he didn't have the history edge on his opponents to make +EV decisions while the rest of us thought he was just some random nobody taking a stab at high stakes

-Sure, Sorel is super nice to everyone IRL and you really do want to like him. It makes his decisions when it came to poker that much more awful. I just don't get why people who I respect a great deal are welcoming him back with open arms and joking with him. HE STOLE MONEY AND EQUITY FROM YOU. Why do you think that's okay?

Jake Wilkins 11:48 pm
[SIZE=2]couldnt agree more w/ ur post fwiw[/SIZE]
, [SIZE=2]about imperium[/SIZE]

Wein 11:48 pm
thanks m8
def had to get it out

Jake Wilkins 11:48 pm
[SIZE=2]ya u just get ur pt across so much better then me im not even going to try,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]maybe ull teach me one day[/SIZE]

Wein 11:49 pm
could just +1 it for the support imo

Of course I will..Wein on being spot on.. I briefly met sorel last year, in regards to his last part Sorel is a nice friendly guy but it doesn't change what hes done to the poker community..

How mad would you be if you were the person that took second place to him. (Only 75k difference.) While they just let this cheater back. Blows my mind. Thoughts?

 

Originally Posted by MakeMeMaster

He deseves it because ftp took 200k from him so would be fair if he won it back.

lol

 

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse76

Originally posted by Davem92025
I would probably spit in his face if I ever had the chance, along with bonomo, and a few players here.

I understand the animosity but don't put these 2 in the same category. One of them made mistakes a long time ago and has done a reasonable job of trying to do the right thing and repair his image. The other is a repeat offender who deserves no sympathy and clearly cares about himself and nothing else. Unfortunately, as bad as this sucks, at least we now know when we're playing him. Most of the time, at least. Also agree with pretty much everything Ween said.

First of all I am honored that such a great player would take note in my statements, big fan, rail you all the time. To the subject at hand. An alcoholic that has been sober for 5 years is still an alcoholic, a rapist who served his term and was released, is still a rapist, a drug addict clean for years the same, etc.. A cheater who was banned for 3 years, will still have the mentality of a cheater the majority of his life, whether or not they claim to the contrary. You cannot be that ignorant to believe that he never ghosted, or attempted to use someones account during his downtime, or that if given the chance in the future he wouldn't take a shot at having some kind of extra edge.

Mizzi absolutely was crushing live for most of last year, yet he still felt the need to cheat online. Bonomo had decent success but was no where near the amount of $$$ as mizzi, so why wouldn't one assume he wasn't doing the same as mizzi during his ban ? Do you know for a fact that he never attempted any shady shit during his downtime ? I don't think anyone can answer that accurately other then him, and we all would be ignorant to think he didn't attempt to play online during his downtime. He just never got caught because he isn't a fucking retard like mizzi, is my own personal opinion. I personally believe that him, along with mizzi, men the master, brunson, that partouche poker douche, several well known members on here, and many many more should be shunned and treated like shit as much as possible by all of us, to get across the point of how despicable they are, or have been in the past towards the game of poker. I am also an asshole who is jealous of their success, when they absolutely do not deserve a dime for the amount or work they put in. There are thousands of people who bust their ass to break even, or make some pretty small amount of profit, for months to years on end. Then there are these tools, who blatantly show little to no empathy towards the people they screwed after taking the easy road that a monkey could be successful at.


This is slightly off the subject, but I really wonder how much mizzi spent last year to get as many live cashes as he did. That could explain why he was cheating to begin with, so that he could help fund his live game, and narrow down live variance, because there is no way someone wins that much without spending a ridiculous amount in buyins.

 

Originally Posted by Grip

i dont really see how this is a bad thing, he was obviously playing under random names for the last few years, now he has his name back and everyone knows who's who. the way it should be. everyone hates on imper1um when theres hundreds others doing the same thing. like someone tell me who vamanovomaestr0 is, dudes played 2k tourneys since 8/4/2010. some clear ma that goes undetected and gets to play anonymously. the way i see it, bannings just make it tougher on everyone else and in most cases, benefit the player himself. welcome back imper1um

it's a hs reg's cousin

 

Originally Posted by Weeeen

On so many levels this post worries me.

-So because he continued to cheat after getting banned, we should just throw our hands back up, give up, and forget past transgressions?

-100s of people did do this. Only a few that continued to do it. I could throw tons ofplayers under the bus that did do it at one time, but online poker was different then. Sorel was caught time and time again both on the forums, through his inability to AIM the right people, and through FTP. Instead of righting his wrong, he continued to just get caught. He thinks people hate him because they are jealous of him. No one gives a fuck about his success - people hate him because he continued to do things under our nose. He is just as bad as JJprodigy - the only difference is he's more social and friendly.

-When he "came clean" last year, he didn't even fully disclose. Did he forget the tightywhitey account (I forget the exact one, I think it was tightywhitey9), or did he just forget all the accounts he had that he just forgot to include that one? or the fact that he'd hop on skype with his broheims in front of other HSMTT regs and take over his horses' hands, right in front of them. Stealing equity is fun.

-No way Sorel gets to where he is in poker if he didn't have all that extra experience from buying accounts and having multiple entries. All that extra entries and experience in HSMTTs when it matters, and you don't think there's a massive edge he gained in that? The second time I final tabled the Sunday Million I felt like I had a massive edge over everyone. Can you imagine the edge if you just had random accounts at your disposal at any time?

-Think about the edge and money he's stolen from players. My shove range with 20bbs against FU_15 is much different than Roothlus if they are raising the button into my bb. Can you imagine having all those reads on those players, and them having no clue who you are? The edge is huge. He thinks that the tens of thousand of dollars or w/e that has been confiscated from him is justification for him wanting forgiveness. He wouldn't have had that money confiscated if he didn't have the history edge on his opponents to make +EV decisions while the rest of us thought he was just some random nobody taking a stab at high stakes

-Sure, Sorel is super nice to everyone IRL and you really do want to like him. It makes his decisions when it came to poker that much more awful. I just don't get why people who I respect a great deal are welcoming him back with open arms and joking with him. HE STOLE MONEY AND EQUITY FROM YOU. Why do you think that's okay?

100% dead on. My god people, this is not okay. Online poker really has become a joke

 

Originally Posted by Weeeen

On so many levels this post worries me.

-So because he continued to cheat after getting banned, we should just throw our hands back up, give up, and forget past transgressions?

-100s of people did do this. Only a few that continued to do it. I could throw tons ofplayers under the bus that did do it at one time, but online poker was different then. Sorel was caught time and time again both on the forums, through his inability to AIM the right people, and through FTP. Instead of righting his wrong, he continued to just get caught. He thinks people hate him because they are jealous of him. No one gives a fuck about his success - people hate him because he continued to do things under our nose. He is just as bad as JJprodigy - the only difference is he's more social and friendly.

-When he "came clean" last year, he didn't even fully disclose. Did he forget the tightywhitey account (I forget the exact one, I think it was tightywhitey9), or did he just forget all the accounts he had that he just forgot to include that one? or the fact that he'd hop on skype with his broheims in front of other HSMTT regs and take over his horses' hands, right in front of them. Stealing equity is fun.

-No way Sorel gets to where he is in poker if he didn't have all that extra experience from buying accounts and having multiple entries. All that extra entries and experience in HSMTTs when it matters, and you don't think there's a massive edge he gained in that? The second time I final tabled the Sunday Million I felt like I had a massive edge over everyone. Can you imagine the edge if you just had random accounts at your disposal at any time?

-Think about the edge and money he's stolen from players. My shove range with 20bbs against FU_15 is much different than Roothlus if they are raising the button into my bb. Can you imagine having all those reads on those players, and them having no clue who you are? The edge is huge. He thinks that the tens of thousand of dollars or w/e that has been confiscated from him is justification for him wanting forgiveness. He wouldn't have had that money confiscated if he didn't have the history edge on his opponents to make +EV decisions while the rest of us thought he was just some random nobody taking a stab at high stakes

-Sure, Sorel is super nice to everyone IRL and you really do want to like him. It makes his decisions when it came to poker that much more awful. I just don't get why people who I respect a great deal are welcoming him back with open arms and joking with him. HE STOLE MONEY AND EQUITY FROM YOU. Why do you think that's okay?

Awesome post, I agree 100%.

I've always been a firm believer in the notion that those who make mistakes always deserve a second chance to redeem themselves. Bonomo's case is a great example. We all know what Mizzi has done. He's been caught red-handed multiple times. The fact that Full Tilt still reinstated his account despite everything he's done really goes to show how lame their code of ethics is. Seriously, shame on them.

 

Originally Posted by Grip

i dont really see how this is a bad thing, he was obviously playing under random names for the last few years, now he has his name back and everyone knows who's who. the way it should be. everyone hates on imper1um when theres hundreds others doing the same thing. like someone tell me who vamanovomaestr0 is, dudes played 2k tourneys since 8/4/2010. some clear ma that goes undetected and gets to play anonymously. the way i see it, bannings just make it tougher on everyone else and in most cases, benefit the player himself. welcome back imper1um

zang is definately not vamonovomaestro, vamononomaestro is good player with 1 account on ftp/stars. Not going to say what his stars name because think he prefers to stay under the radar/someone can ask him at the tables. But 100% not zang or a multiaccounter.

they play hu sngs completely different, many hu regs can verify this.

heres a thought i just had about cheaters and poker sites letting them play...if sites are gonna let them play they should be forced to have a "cheater token", a sort of scarlet letter, on their avatar to let everyone know to watch them like a hawk. But we all know this would never happen in a million years, why would sites want to risk scaring off casual players by admitting there are cheaters playing on their site?