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  1. winnie2002 winnie2002 is offline

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    Sep 24th, 2011 (9/24/2011 10:01pm)

    On the bubble of 22 dollar 6 max.

    I have been reasonably active with 22/19 and the villain has 32/27 with 3 and 4 bet @ 9% each out of 90 hands played.

    I've been 3 and 4 betting a fair amount but not as aggressively as the villain.

    pokerstars Game #67999336866: Tournament #442048085, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2011/09/24 21:47:56 WET [2011/09/24 16:47:56 ET]
    Table '442048085 5' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: bastardaddy (37880 in chips)
    Seat 2: Halo_Mietku (64946 in chips)
    Seat 3: veet.az (17349 in chips)
    Seat 4: D.loreti (22408 in chips)
    Seat 5: elsecarcc (25791 in chips)
    Seat 6: MagicViuff (38435 in chips)
    bastardaddy: posts the ante 100
    Halo_Mietku: posts the ante 100
    veet.az: posts the ante 100
    D.loreti: posts the ante 100
    elsecarcc: posts the ante 100
    MagicViuff: posts the ante 100
    elsecarcc: posts small blind 400
    MagicViuff: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to elsecarcc [Jd Js]
    bastardaddy: folds
    Halo_Mietku: raises 880 to 1680
    veet.az: folds
    D.loreti: folds
    elsecarcc: raises 2884 to 4564
    MagicViuff: folds
    Halo_Mietku: raises 29836 to 34400

    ??????
  2. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 12:34am) in reply to The_Grifter

    His 4 bet is 9% - You have a top 9 % hand. I would 3bet / call here almost always.
  3. P0LarAcE P0LarAcE is online now

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 12:34am) in reply to Sagacious Man

    30big blinds with aggro raising , 3 and 4 betting regularly.

    are you playing for 1st or to just make the buy in back. Get your $$$$ in with JJ there!!!!!! Scared money dont make money.
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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 1:58am) in reply to P0LarAcE

     
    Originally Posted by P0LarAcE View Post

    30big blinds with aggro raising , 3 and 4 betting regularly.

    are you playing for 1st or to just make the buy in back. Get your $$$$ in with JJ there!!!!!! Scared money dont make money.

    I play to make as much money as possible....are you considering the effect of a double up on your expected ROI vs. the effect of being the bubble boy?

    Obviously he has been active but you've got an extremely SSS to work with...I think JJ is a fold and QQ is a call FWIW.
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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 10:33am) in reply to allani12

    Easiest snap call ever, why 3 bet the guy if ur gona be afraid of his 4 bets. I swear ppl Jst 3 bet without a clue what they are doing
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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 10:49am) in reply to mcandrews3rd

    i agree mc 100%
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  7. winnie2002 winnie2002 is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 8:22pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    Easiest snap call ever, why 3 bet the guy if ur gona be afraid of his 4 bets. I swear ppl Jst 3 bet without a clue what they are doing

    Some people also haven't played 8k tournaments and do it for a living. I was under the impression that this was an area for debate and to get to grips with the intricacies of the game of poker not to be patronised.

    FWIW in the Pokernews magazine I've been reading today there was similar question in the strategy section which gave a marginal fold. I just felt it was an interesting hand.

    In the end I folded and he showed Kings.
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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 10:00pm) in reply to winnie2002

    seems like a very easy call... and btw, cant u just think before u raise him if ur calling a shove or not? makes things much easier
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  9. boneralert boneralert is offline

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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 10:28pm) in reply to winnie2002

     
    Originally Posted by winnie2002 View Post

    Some people also haven't played 8k tournaments and do it for a living. I was under the impression that this was an area for debate and to get to grips with the intricacies of the game of poker not to be patronised.

    FWIW in the Pokernews magazine I've been reading today there was similar question in the strategy section which gave a marginal fold. I just felt it was an interesting hand.

    In the end I folded and he showed Kings.

    post edited to reflect that everything i was trying to say was said much better in the post below.
    Edited By: boneralert Sep 25th, 2011 at 11:28 PM
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    Sep 25th, 2011 (9/25/2011 11:20pm) in reply to boneralert

    i apologise, i was rude in my response

    the reason i 3 bet is either for value or to bluff. with a hand like jj im definately only 3 betting for value. wen we 3 bet fold hands we are basically bluffing with them, they have little to no value past taking the pot down pre.

    if we do not want to 3 bet call, the best way to extract value with a hand as strong as jj is to flat. here we underrep our hand and keep our villain playing a wide range.

    in the given situation, the villain is playin loose preflop an reacting to aggression (4 betting 3 bets etc) , this shows he will be 4 betting us wide, id put his range at 88+ a10+ an a lot of broadways, this makes jj a snap call. the fact u folded jj here shows that 4 betting wide here works a lot an the tyms he gets it in bad are made up by the times u fold an he wins a big pot

    the fact he shows kk has no bearing on my decision and i still think it is a snap call

    hope this makes sense and makes up for me being patronising. i still agree with my original post 100%
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    Sep 26th, 2011 (9/26/2011 7:39pm) in reply to mcandrews3rd

     
    Originally Posted by mcandrews3rd View Post

    i apologise, i was rude in my response

    the reason i 3 bet is either for value or to bluff. with a hand like jj im definately only 3 betting for value. wen we 3 bet fold hands we are basically bluffing with them, they have little to no value past taking the pot down pre.

    if we do not want to 3 bet call, the best way to extract value with a hand as strong as jj is to flat. here we underrep our hand and keep our villain playing a wide range.

    in the given situation, the villain is playin loose preflop an reacting to aggression (4 betting 3 bets etc) , this shows he will be 4 betting us wide, id put his range at 88+ a10+ an a lot of broadways, this makes jj a snap call. the fact u folded jj here shows that 4 betting wide here works a lot an the tyms he gets it in bad are made up by the times u fold an he wins a big pot

    the fact he shows kk has no bearing on my decision and i still think it is a snap call

    hope this makes sense and makes up for me being patronising. i still agree with my original post 100%

    Cheers for that and I really appreciate the response. It does fill the gaps in thought and I agree what you said about the result being irrelevant. Maybe I was more worried about being on the bubble than I should.
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    Oct 8th, 2011 (10/8/2011 9:15am) in reply to mattdb9er

    9% 4bet? thats like some nits PFR range. JJ is top ~3% hand, get it in happily here. It could be slightly more interesting if your stack was closer to his, but with 25k and blinds so high just get it in with a smile here.
    Edited By: Q__ Oct 8th, 2011 at 09:17 AM
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