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  1. Was watching my buddy in the $3 rebuy on Stars and this hand came up.

    pokerstars Game #15337962194: Tournament #77010201, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (500/1000) - 2008/02/16 - 22:55:00 (ET)
    Table '77010201 340' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: pocket22s (27774 in chips)
    Seat 2: jastro03 (97555 in chips)
    Seat 3: J Dubb71 (31591 in chips)
    Seat 4: LITTLEKENNY1 (6675 in chips)
    Seat 5: ymack (16091 in chips)
    Seat 6: hardy429 (8810 in chips)
    Seat 7: MrCash2006 (35205 in chips)
    Seat 8: filter13075 (22998 in chips)
    Seat 9: Dohsin (20054 in chips)
    pocket22s: posts the ante 100
    jastro03: posts the ante 100
    J Dubb71: posts the ante 100
    LITTLEKENNY1: posts the ante 100
    ymack: posts the ante 100
    hardy429: posts the ante 100
    MrCash2006: posts the ante 100
    filter13075: posts the ante 100
    Dohsin: posts the ante 100
    jastro03: posts small blind 500
    J Dubb71: posts big blind 1000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to MrCash2006 [Kc 7c]
    LITTLEKENNY1: folds
    ymack: calls 1000
    hardy429: folds
    MrCash2006: calls 1000
    filter13075: calls 1000
    Dohsin: calls 1000
    pocket22s: folds
    jastro03: calls 500
    J Dubb71: checks
    *** FLOP *** [2c 5h Ks]
    jastro03: checks
    J Dubb71: checks
    ymack: bets 3000
    MrCash2006: calls 3000
    filter13075: calls 3000
    Dohsin: calls 3000
    jastro03: folds
    J Dubb71: folds
    *** TURN *** [2c 5h Ks] [5c]
    ymack: checks
    MrCash2006: bets 31105 and is all-in
    filter13075: calls 18898 and is all-in
    Dohsin: folds
    ymack: folds
    *** RIVER *** [2c 5h Ks 5c] [6s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MrCash2006: shows [Kc 7c] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
    filter13075: shows [Kd Qd] (two pair, Kings and Fives - Queen kicker)
    filter13075 collected 56696 from pot
    jastro03 said, "nh"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 56696 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 5h Ks 5c 6s]
    Seat 1: pocket22s (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: jastro03 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: J Dubb71 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: LITTLEKENNY1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: ymack folded on the Turn
    Seat 6: hardy429 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: MrCash2006 showed [Kc 7c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
    Seat 8: filter13075 showed [Kd Qd] and won (56696) with two pair, Kings and Fives
    Seat 9: Dohsin folded on the Turn

    He maintains that the guy calling with KQ here was a bad call. With two people yet to act behind. He thinks that he should get more credit for the shove.

    I disagree so I was wondering what you all think? What range are you calling with on that turn and is the KQ call justified?
  2. The mistake was made this hand pushing the call 1000 button before the flop.. You cant expect 3R players to fold top pair.
  3. Fold p/f?
  4. What hand is your friend trying to rep here? The guy has top pair/2nd best kicker and in all likelihood AK is not out there as no one raised pre. He's getting good odds to call and I would imagine if your friend is limping K7s in early position then he probably doesn't have the tightest of images. I think KQ is a pretty standard call in this instance. KQ is about the extent of my calling range, but that's because I'm folding any worse hand with a K in it preflop.
  5. This is exactly why folding pre is 10x easier/better.
  6. I agree guys, don't get me wrong here. But do you all think the call by KQ is standard?
    Thread Starter
  7. I played on MrCash2006's table in the $3 rebuy yesterday and given the way he was playing, I wouldn't think he really has a clue what he's talking about, some edification:

    pokerstars GAME #15313758585: TOURNAMENT #77010200, $3.00+$0.30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIII (800/1600) - 2008/02/15 - 23:33:11 (ET)
    Table '77010200 413' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Chopsghz (27345 in chips)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT (35665 in chips)
    Seat 3: punish15 (96866 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam (25511 in chips)
    Seat 5: Fun Fly (6617 in chips)
    Seat 6: littlelotti (28878 in chips)
    Seat 7: IDAHO's_ACE (18446 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 8: SPARTACUSSSS (36436 in chips)
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 (127906 in chips)
    Chopsghz: posts the ante 150
    HARDTILT: posts the ante 150
    punish15: posts the ante 150
    Tinpanbam: posts the ante 150
    Fun Fly: posts the ante 150
    littlelotti: posts the ante 150
    SPARTACUSSSS: posts the ante 150
    MrCash2006: posts the ante 150
    SPARTACUSSSS: posts small blind 800
    MrCash2006: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to punish15 [7d 9c]
    Chopsghz: folds
    HARDTILT: folds
    punish15: folds
    Tinpanbam: folds
    Fun Fly: folds
    littlelotti: calls 1600
    SPARTACUSSSS: calls 800
    MrCash2006: raises 126156 to 127756 and is all-in
    littlelotti: folds
    SPARTACUSSSS: calls 34686 and is all-in
    *** FLOP *** [8d 4h 6h]
    punish15 said, "i love this table"
    *** TURN *** [8d 4h 6h] [Ks]
    *** RIVER *** [8d 4h 6h Ks] [3c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    SPARTACUSSSS: shows [Ah 5s] (high card Ace)
    MrCash2006: shows [7s Ad] (high card Ace - King+Eight+Seven kicker)
    MrCash2006 collected 75372 from pot
    punish15 said, "and wtf"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 75372 | Rake 0
    Board [8d 4h 6h Ks 3c]
    Seat 1: Chopsghz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: punish15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Fun Fly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: littlelotti (button) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: SPARTACUSSSS (small blind) showed [Ah 5s] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 (big blind) showed [7s Ad] and won (75372) with high card Ace

    POKERSTARS GAME #15313668785: TOURNAMENT #77010200, $3.00+$0.30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIII (800/1600) - 2008/02/15 - 23:28:32 (ET)
    Table '77010200 413' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Chopsghz (27945 in chips)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT (41065 in chips)
    Seat 3: punish15 (98266 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam (28511 in chips)
    Seat 5: Fun Fly (9617 in chips)
    Seat 6: littlelotti (22528 in chips)
    Seat 7: kmnewark (16959 in chips)
    Seat 8: SPARTACUSSSS (60121 in chips)
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 (80212 in chips)
    Chopsghz: posts the ante 150
    HARDTILT: posts the ante 150
    punish15: posts the ante 150
    Tinpanbam: posts the ante 150
    Fun Fly: posts the ante 150
    littlelotti: posts the ante 150
    kmnewark: posts the ante 150
    SPARTACUSSSS: posts the ante 150
    MrCash2006: posts the ante 150
    punish15: posts small blind 800
    Tinpanbam: posts big blind 1600
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to punish15 [6s 6c]
    Fun Fly: folds
    littlelotti: folds
    kmnewark: folds
    SPARTACUSSSS: folds
    MrCash2006: raises 78462 to 80062 and is all-in
    Chopsghz: folds
    HARDTILT: folds
    punish15: folds
    Tinpanbam: folds
    MrCash2006 collected 5350 from pot
    MrCash2006: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5350 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: Chopsghz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: punish15 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Fun Fly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: littlelotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: kmnewark folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: SPARTACUSSSS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 collected (5350)

    POKERSTARS GAME #15313946489: TOURNAMENT #77010200, $3.00+$0.30 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIV (1000/2000) - 2008/02/15 - 23:43:00 (ET)
    Table '77010200 413' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Chopsghz (44890 in chips)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT (28965 in chips)
    Seat 3: punish15 (85391 in chips)
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam (9294 in chips)
    Seat 5: Fun Fly (28234 in chips)
    Seat 6: littlelotti (47553 in chips)
    Seat 7: IDAHO's_ACE (13496 in chips)
    Seat 8: garysmith22 (114662 in chips)
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 (88616 in chips)
    Chopsghz: posts the ante 200
    HARDTILT: posts the ante 200
    punish15: posts the ante 200
    Tinpanbam: posts the ante 200
    Fun Fly: posts the ante 200
    littlelotti: posts the ante 200
    IDAHO's_ACE: posts the ante 200
    garysmith22: posts the ante 200
    MrCash2006: posts the ante 200
    HARDTILT: posts small blind 1000
    punish15: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to punish15 [Jd Ts]
    Tinpanbam: folds
    Fun Fly: folds
    littlelotti: folds
    IDAHO's_ACE: folds
    garysmith22: folds
    MrCash2006: raises 3616 to 5616
    Chopsghz: folds
    HARDTILT: folds
    punish15: calls 3616
    *** FLOP *** [8h Ad 8d]
    punish15: checks
    MrCash2006: bets 82800 and is all-in
    punish15: folds
    MrCash2006 collected 14032 from pot
    MrCash2006: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 14032 | Rake 0
    Board [8h Ad 8d]
    Seat 1: Chopsghz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: HARDTILT (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: punish15 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 4: Tinpanbam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Fun Fly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: littlelotti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: IDAHO's_ACE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: garysmith22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: MrCash2006 collected (14032)

    I will answer the question posed though:
    1. He should not even be in the hand at all, K7s is a weak holding and playing it passively pre flop from early position is about the worst way it can be played I think, just fold.
    2. With that bet by on such a dry flop by ymack, and then 3 calls behind (including MrCash), it's pretty obvious that K7 is no good here.
    3. On the turn we pick up a semi good card, as it gives us more outs, but it's a horrendous card to be shoving on because (a) he overshoves, and overshoves tend to get little respect (as is the case here), and (b) if one of the other 3 players made a loose call or loose raise on the flop with a 5, then they certainly aren't folding.

    overall I'd say it was a very poorly played hand, I don't know if it's a great call with KQ, but i think he certainly played it than MrCash did.
  8. f MrCash2006, scammer and a cheat
  9. is mrcash a scammin d bag in real life too ?

    o yea and he makes me look like a competent poker player
  10. mr cash is a scammer
  11. Well I can't comment on any of this, but I do agree the play is pretty bullshit.
    Thread Starter
  12. F MrCash such a dbag
  13. He played this really badly. The overshove on the turn is especially weak and I would snap call KQ against it. In this tourney, it's more likely a bluff or a bad kicker than a tricky set play.
  14. lol at this entire thread... 1st of all not interesting if ur friend had a clue... fold PF.

    limping w/ k7s o rly? gtfo w/ this thread plz
  15. pretty sure i seen him and some other dude colluding hardcore on an omaha table a while back

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