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Interesting hand, flopping top pair from the BB

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  1. cantshaikme cantshaikme is offline

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 5:28am)

    UTG limper is 25/2 after 90 hands, SB is 55/24 after 20 hands (haha donks!)

    Anyway I wanted to just take it down pre but with 16 bbs kind of an awkward stack to just shove so meh I don't know.
    On the flop I figured I had the best hand and checked for value? To induce bluffs? Probably should have ck/r right here to find out where I was at.
    On the turn he again minbets after I check, I don't want to commit my stack but I want to find out where I'm at so I minraise he just calls, looks weak, great lets get a little more value on the river and he shoves it back in my face. WWJD???


    pokerstars Game #60300271575: Tournament #382072345, $15+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2011/04/04 0:04:34 ET
    Table '382072345 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: francoianna (1645 in chips)
    Seat 2: betgo (350 in chips)
    Seat 4: ito-79 (2260 in chips)
    Seat 5: cantshaikme (1670 in chips)
    Seat 6: CADEMM (1920 in chips)
    Seat 7: Qeloton7 (1690 in chips)
    Seat 8: $indabank111 (1355 in chips)
    Seat 9: marym22 (2610 in chips)
    ito-79: posts small blind 50
    cantshaikme: posts big blind 100
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to cantshaikme [Ts As]
    CADEMM: calls 100
    Qeloton7: folds
    $indabank111: folds
    marym22: folds
    francoianna: folds
    betgo: folds
    ito-79: calls 50
    cantshaikme: checks
    *** FLOP *** [6s 5d Ad]
    ito-79: checks
    cantshaikme: checks
    CADEMM: bets 100
    ito-79: folds
    cantshaikme: calls 100
    *** TURN *** [6s 5d Ad] [Kc]
    cantshaikme: checks
    CADEMM: bets 100
    cantshaikme: raises 100 to 200
    CADEMM: calls 100
    *** RIVER *** [6s 5d Ad Kc] [8c]
    cantshaikme: bets 200
    CADEMM: raises 1320 to 1520 and is all-in
    cantshaikme.....
  2. kelmann333 kelmann333 is offline

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 5:51am) in reply to cantshaikme

    you played this hand weak at every level. now you have no idea where you stand. unfortunately, you've invested so much. I feel you are behind.
  3. tyson219 tyson219 is offline Moderator

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 5:54am) in reply to kelmann333

    Jam pre. 300 in the pot and you're down to 1570, that's a 20% increase, seems worth it to me. Jamming 17bbs isn't all that awkward. And as you said, you think you have the best hand.

    I don't understand the flop play. Even if ahead, it's pretty drawy with straight draws and flush draws definitely being in the limpers range. I'd probably lead the flop and call a raise.

    As played, cant see villain jamming here without Ax or 2 pair. You probably beat half the limpers range (A9,A7, A2-A4) and lose to all other aces or any two pair/straight hands. Probably folding here, but wouldn't ever get into this situation in the first place.
    Edited By: tyson219 Apr 4th, 2011 at 06:01 AM
    Reason: oops...with or without, what's the difference?
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  4. wackyJaxon wackyJaxon is offline Admin X

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 5:58am) in reply to kelmann333

     
    Originally Posted by kelmann333 View Post

    you played this hand weak at every level. now you have no idea where you stand. unfortunately, you've invested so much. I feel you are behind.

    Disagree its at every level, but maybe you can elaborate. Instead of just saying its weak at every level, describe how you would have played it please. :)

    Preflop, check here is fine, fine to raise, but probably getting callers and AT OOP isn't a good hand to play.

    Flop, fine to call, also fine to shove since you are so low and he might be on a draw.

    Turn, either raise more or just call.

    River, possibly behind a draw based on his betting patterns. Could also be slow playing a set and trying to max out value. Really depends on your read here.
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  5. kelmann333 kelmann333 is offline

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 4:34pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    [QUOTE=wackyJaxon;6243290]Disagree its at every level, but maybe you can elaborate. Instead of just saying its weak at every level, describe how you would have played it please. :)]

    I agree with Tyson. PF should be a jam. We should take the lead on flop. C/C accomplishes nothing. The min raise on turn adds little value to our hand and makes us look weak. The value-ish river bet was too small to get any credit. Besides,too many hands beat us.
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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 4:37pm) in reply to kelmann333

    [QUOTE=kelmann333;6243763]
     
    Originally Posted by wackyJaxon View Post

    Disagree its at every level, but maybe you can elaborate. Instead of just saying its weak at every level, describe how you would have played it please. :)]

    I agree with Tyson. PF should be a jam. We should take the lead on flop. C/C accomplishes nothing. The min raise on turn adds little value to our hand and makes us look weak. The value-ish river bet was too small to get any credit. Besides,too many hands beat us.

    agree, jam pr seems to make most sense, makes the plays on other streets irrelevant if this is done as well.
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  7. cantshaikme cantshaikme is offline

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    Apr 4th, 2011 (4/4/2011 5:34pm) in reply to wackyJaxon

    Thanks guys, I was really close to jamming pre but didn't pull the trigger for some odd reason. Next time will be shoving in this spot for sure. As for results I ended up folding and he didn't show.
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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 12:17am) in reply to cantshaikme

    checking is fine pre......pretty sure im check/callin flop and turn and possibly river. No reason to raise
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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 1:15am) in reply to jbk2

    jammin pre all day, since you checked i'm leading flop/turn, jamming river
  10. PIsom23 PIsom23 is offline DO NOT TRADE

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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 1:24am) in reply to kasey_gcp

    I really don't like your raise on the turn. Don't really see the point? I like calling down and bluff catching here.
     
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    Apr 5th, 2011 (4/5/2011 1:42am) in reply to PIsom23

     
    Originally Posted by PIsom23 View Post

    I really don't like your raise on the turn. Don't really see the point? I like calling down and bluff catching here.

    After reading the responses and thinking about it the minraise on the turn doesnt do anything except make me look weak and exploitable. In my mind I was doing it for value and to also hopefully keep from facing a big bet on the river when I was still unsure about where I stood in the hand. But like you said this is a perfect spot to call down and catch bluffs or weaker aces. I still like jamming pre as the best option of all though.
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