Ave chip stack = 16K or so?
Little info on villian...

PokerStars Game #29990027415: Tournament #175253003, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2009/07/01 16:04:28 ET
Table '175253003 459' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Roosi44 (10930 in chips)
Seat 2: Seagrovegirl (15611 in chips)
Seat 3: Mitch184 (13482 in chips)
Seat 4: **vi-hi** (9319 in chips)
Seat 5: jo0407 (31025 in chips) Villian
Seat 6: chefkokken82 (4280 in chips)
Seat 7: Timzc1 (39315 in chips) ----- HERO
Seat 8: prognitor (6465 in chips)
Seat 9: giexmo (14936 in chips)
Roosi44: posts the ante 25
Seagrovegirl: posts the ante 25
Mitch184: posts the ante 25
**vi-hi**: posts the ante 25
jo0407: posts the ante 25
chefkokken82: posts the ante 25
Timzc1: posts the ante 25
prognitor: posts the ante 25
giexmo: posts the ante 25
**vi-hi**: posts small blind 100
jo0407: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Timzc1 [Qs Jc]
chefkokken82: calls 200
Timzc1: raises 600 to 800
prognitor: folds
giexmo: folds
Roosi44: folds
Seagrovegirl: calls 800
Mitch184: folds
**vi-hi**: folds
jo0407: calls 600
chefkokken82: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [4c 8c 5s]
jo0407: checks
chefkokken82: checks
Timzc1: bets 1800
Seagrovegirl: calls 1800
jo0407: calls 1800
chefkokken82: folds
*** TURN *** [4c 8c 5s] [Qc]
jo0407: checks
Timzc1: checks
Seagrovegirl: checks
*** RIVER *** [4c 8c 5s Qc] [Jd]
jo0407: bets 28400 and is all-in
Timzc1 = ??

pretty easy fold right? str and flushes are possible, all I can beat is a bluff...

OR...

I quickly OPR villian and I saw that he was a pretty horrid player, at least given the data I quickly looked at I was somewhat tempted.

OBV the fact that he is a losing player who often busts VERY early raises the liklihood my top two has his 3* pot shove, but he obv could have some kind of random hand that beats my two pair... and because he is a bad player he overbets the pot...

is this an opportunity? or is it an easy fold?

--timzc1

I did fold.

and then a few hands later i saw him do:

PokerStars Game #29990406291: Tournament #175253003, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2009/07/01 16:13:45 ET
Table '175253003 459' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Roosi44 (20274 in chips)
Seat 2: Seagrovegirl (11121 in chips)
Seat 3: Mitch184 (17412 in chips)
Seat 4: **vi-hi** (8329 in chips)
Seat 5: jo0407 (35705 in chips)
Seat 6: Klesh24 (11905 in chips)
Seat 7: Timzc1 (37345 in chips)
Seat 8: prognitor (9215 in chips)
Seat 9: giexmo (6392 in chips)
Roosi44: posts the ante 30
Seagrovegirl: posts the ante 30
Mitch184: posts the ante 30
**vi-hi**: posts the ante 30
jo0407: posts the ante 30
Klesh24: posts the ante 30
Timzc1: posts the ante 30
prognitor: posts the ante 30
giexmo: posts the ante 30
jo0407: posts small blind 125
Klesh24: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Timzc1 [Qh 4h]
Timzc1: folds
prognitor: folds
giexmo: folds
Roosi44: folds
Seagrovegirl: folds
Mitch184: folds
**vi-hi**: raises 250 to 500
jo0407: calls 375
Klesh24: raises 1000 to 1500
**vi-hi**: calls 1000
jo0407: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [7s Tc 6s]
jo0407: checks
Klesh24: bets 3000
**vi-hi**: folds
jo0407: calls 3000
*** TURN *** [7s Tc 6s] [9s]
jo0407: checks
Klesh24: checks
*** RIVER *** [7s Tc 6s 9s] [Ad]
jo0407: bets 31175 and is all-in
Klesh24: calls 7375 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (23800) returned to jo0407
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jo0407: shows [9c Th] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
Klesh24: shows [Ac Jc] (a pair of Aces)
jo0407 collected 25520 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 25520 | Rake 0
Board [7s Tc 6s 9s Ad]
Seat 1: Roosi44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Seagrovegirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mitch184 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: **vi-hi** (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: jo0407 (small blind) showed [9c Th] and won (25520) with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 6: Klesh24 (big blind) showed [Ac Jc] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: Timzc1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: prognitor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: giexmo folded before Flop (didn't bet)

... fires out all in (but just a pot bet this time to a smaller stack, so a diff situation of course) on river with two pair when str and flushes are possible (perhaps unlikely) and better two pair..

again makes me think I mighta missed an opporunity.

--timzc1

Put in a bet on the turn to define your hand.

Personally, with I'm done with the hand on that flop with this many people calling after your preflop raise. But that depends on your style.

 

Originally Posted by timzc1

I did fold.

... fires out all in (but just a pot bet this time to a smaller stack, so a diff situation of course) on river with two pair when str and flushes are possible (perhaps unlikely) and better two pair..

again makes me think I mighta missed an opporunity.

--timzc1

Just a few thoughts.

I wouldn't but a random A8 as to unlikely :)

You will notice that as bad as it looks open/pushing the 9cTh here is actualy an OK play - he did get called by a lesser hand. In this one he check/called TP on the flop & checked top 2 on the turn then open pushed the river. This actualy makes a crappy flush a more likely holding in the first hand and even opens up botom set etc. as possibilities. Having a habit of slowing made but vulnerable hands would tend to get you busted early quite often, especialy if you're open pushing them on the river.

another 2 cents