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Interesting Hand from the Stars 40k

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  1. JMaster130 JMaster130 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:01pm)

    Not particularly looking for advice for myself, just thought this hand would create some interesting discussion, as a WWYD scenario. I'll post it one street at a time, [Edit: starting on the flop (but feel free to include what you'd do pre as well)]. We're 20ish from the money in the 1pm EST 109 F/O.

    pokerstars Game #39647571968: Tournament #284010445, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2010/02/12 15:44:50 ET
    Table '284010445 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Peter_HH (17078 in chips)
    Seat 2: tamagoso (18485 in chips)
    Seat 3: JMaster130 (18538 in chips)
    Seat 4: arxigos (25663 in chips)
    Seat 5: StuMan123 (32154 in chips)
    Seat 6: falte (18173 in chips)
    Seat 7: _Chapa_26 (14221 in chips)
    Seat 8: + to the EV! (11825 in chips)
    Seat 9: Duffman08 (4665 in chips)
    Peter_HH: posts the ante 75
    tamagoso: posts the ante 75
    JMaster130: posts the ante 75
    arxigos: posts the ante 75
    StuMan123: posts the ante 75
    falte: posts the ante 75
    _Chapa_26: posts the ante 75
    + to the EV!: posts the ante 75
    Duffman08: posts the ante 75
    Peter_HH: posts small blind 400
    tamagoso: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JMaster130 [Jc Js]
    JMaster130: raises 978 to 1778
    arxigos: folds
    StuMan123: folds
    falte: folds
    _Chapa_26: folds
    + to the EV!: folds
    Duffman08: folds
    Peter_HH: raises 2078 to 3856
    tamagoso: folds
    JMaster130: calls 2078
    *** FLOP *** [2d Ks Jh]
    Peter_HH: checks
    JMaster130:

    Edit:
    <span>*** FLOP *** [2d Ks Jh]
    Peter_HH: checks
    JMaster130: bets 2375
    Peter_HH: calls 2375
    *** TURN *** [2d Ks Jh] [Qd]
    Peter_HH: checks </span>
     
  2. Duffy08 Duffy08 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:09pm) in reply to JMaster130

    wasnt paying attention to the table but flat looks roasty toasty
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  3. Deoxyribo Deoxyribo is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:09pm) in reply to JMaster130

    shove.

    22 BB effective with JJ against a range of 99+, AQ+ prolly
     
  4. Drewace34 Drewace34 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:16pm) in reply to Deoxyribo

     
    Originally Posted by Deoxyribo View Post

    shove.

    22 BB effective with JJ against a range of 99+, AQ+ prolly

    played a ton vs this villain, his 3 bet range is extremeeeeeeely narrow and especially with these stacks doubt hes ever three betting lighter than QQ+ ak here...as nitty as this is I really dig a fold vs villain

    edit: im snap shovin against ne capable player tho
     
  5. anticure anticure is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:28pm) in reply to Drewace34

    shove pre all day
     
  6. anticure anticure is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:29pm) in reply to Drewace34

     
    Originally Posted by Drewace34 View Post

    played a ton vs this villain, his 3 bet range is extremeeeeeeely narrow and especially with these stacks doubt hes ever three betting lighter than QQ+ ak here...as nitty as this is I really dig a fold vs villain

    edit: im snap shovin against ne capable player tho

    if its that narrow than fold pre...you dont have set odds so this is bad...other than that as played bet get it in
     
  7. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:35pm) in reply to anticure

    why are you flatting pre?
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  8. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 4:37pm) in reply to Drewace34

     
    Originally Posted by Drewace34 View Post

    played a ton vs this villain, his 3 bet range is extremeeeeeeely narrow and especially with these stacks doubt hes ever three betting lighter than QQ+ ak here...as nitty as this is I really dig a fold vs villain

    edit: im snap shovin against ne capable player tho

    if this is true clearly just fold pre then...i really don't understand how flatting could be good here pre.

    as far as the hand as played...i really don't think it matters what you do. bet or check, i'd prolly just check, i mean you'r enever folding, why not check and let him think QQ is good or let him bluff with AQ on the turn
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  9. JMaster130 JMaster130 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 5:24pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    if this is true clearly just fold pre then...i really don't understand how flatting could be good here pre.

    as far as the hand as played...i really don't think it matters what you do. bet or check, i'd prolly just check, i mean you'r enever folding, why not check and let him think QQ is good or let him bluff with AQ on the turn

    I'd rather wait til after to post my rationale for the hand, there are certain things I may or may not have done differently if I had it to do over.

    Updated to the turn in the OP now.
     
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  10. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 6:13pm) in reply to JMaster130

    really doesn't matter what you do on the turn now. this is really not that complex of a hand. we ahve a set on the flop, we're not folding. turn card is clearly a bad cards and we lose to QQ now too, but we still beat AK and AQ, so again...bet or check it doens't really matter

    biggest thing in this hand is really pre-flop and can't really imagine how flatting pre could remotely be profitable if jamming pre is not.
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  11. bef99hwk bef99hwk is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 6:16pm) in reply to Gags30

     
    Originally Posted by Gags30 View Post

    really doesn't matter what you do on the turn now. this is really not that complex of a hand. we ahve a set on the flop, we're not folding. turn card is clearly a bad cards and we lose to QQ now too, but we still beat AK and AQ, so again...bet or check it doens't really matter

    biggest thing in this hand is really pre-flop and can't really imagine how flatting pre could remotely be profitable if jamming pre is not.

    Yeah agree with this...prolly lost to QQ specifically or AA is scared shitless now. Don't get the flat pre either if ur up against THAT narrow of a range PF
  12. JMaster130 JMaster130 is offline

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    Feb 12th, 2010 (2/12/2010 6:31pm) in reply to bef99hwk

    Alright, I see your point Gags, I guess there isn't much discussion to squeeze out of this hand, oh well. Bottom line is I am well aware that I played the hand really weird/not optimally and found myself in a river spot where I briefly considered turning my set into a bluff, but decided against it given that I had considered the villain to be a complete random. Here's the full hand:

    <span>pokerstars Game #39647571968: Tournament #284010445, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2010/02/12 15:44:50 ET
    Table '284010445 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: Peter_HH (17078 in chips)
    Seat 2: tamagoso (18485 in chips)
    Seat 3: JMaster130 (18538 in chips)
    Seat 4: arxigos (25663 in chips)
    Seat 5: StuMan123 (32154 in chips)
    Seat 6: falte (18173 in chips)
    Seat 7: _Chapa_26 (14221 in chips)
    Seat 8: + to the EV! (11825 in chips)
    Seat 9: Duffman08 (4665 in chips)
    Peter_HH: posts the ante 75
    tamagoso: posts the ante 75
    JMaster130: posts the ante 75
    arxigos: posts the ante 75
    StuMan123: posts the ante 75
    falte: posts the ante 75
    _Chapa_26: posts the ante 75
    + to the EV!: posts the ante 75
    Duffman08: posts the ante 75
    Peter_HH: posts small blind 400
    tamagoso: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JMaster130 [Jc Js]
    JMaster130: raises 978 to 1778
    arxigos: folds
    StuMan123: folds
    falte: folds
    _Chapa_26: folds
    + to the EV!: folds
    Duffman08: folds
    Peter_HH: raises 2078 to 3856
    tamagoso: folds
    JMaster130: calls 2078
    *** FLOP *** [2d Ks Jh]
    Peter_HH: checks
    JMaster130: bets 2375
    Peter_HH: calls 2375
    *** TURN *** [2d Ks Jh] [Qd]
    Peter_HH: checks
    JMaster130: checks
    *** RIVER *** [2d Ks Jh Qd] [Ah]
    Peter_HH: checks
    JMaster130 said, "ohghfdsgdajfgsjleffd"
    JMaster130 said, "lol"
    JMaster130: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Peter_HH: shows [Qc Qs] (three of a kind, Queens)
    JMaster130: shows [Jc Js] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    Peter_HH collected 13937 from pot</span>

    and before someone mentions it, I typed that stuff in the chat after I had given up, I'm not completely retarded, just partially.

    Thoughts?
     
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  13. railtard1 railtard1 is offline Railtard1/DDfromDS is a SCAMMER

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    Aug 9th, 2010 (8/9/2010 3:29pm) in reply to JMaster130

    gags and jmaster HU
  14. Flopnuts1 Flopnuts1 is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2010 (8/9/2010 3:46pm) in reply to railtard1

    Tough PF decision but with no info this is prob a marginal fold. His 3bet from the sb against your utg open is VERY strong, AK/AQ are prob at the bottom of his range here although 99/1010 are quite possible. This decision is def dependent on your reads against villain but I'm NEVER flatting here with this stack.
  15. arsenal46 arsenal46 is offline

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    Aug 9th, 2010 (8/9/2010 3:53pm) in reply to Flopnuts1

    really really easy shove pre
     
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