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Blinds 300-600-75, tournament avg. 22k
Me: 28K in chips. My image is super tight. We've both been at table since level 1. I have taken 5 hands to showdown. 2x's w/ AA (all in on pre the other allin on flop). One time w/ a set (all in on turn). The other times I went to showdown where i had top pair with position, and checked behind on flop and called bets on turn on and river keeping the pot small. Basically, everyone at the table should think i have the nuts when I bet or raise.
Him: 30K in chips. He has been playing super LAG. He has been raising about 30% of hands since the antes have come in to play. He is a regular at the 10/20NL game at the Bellagio. Like a typical cash player, he bets about 80% of the pot on his strong hands. hehas executed a few bluffs already on nut or nothing type boards and been looked up by a straight and a flush, but he seems to have good control over the table right now - picking up a lot of pots uncontested. he does seem to only bet 40-60% of the pot though on his bluffs.
Preflop: I have the button and he is two to my right. Action folds to him and he opens for 1500. I have Qdi 10di and make the call, knowing that both the blinds like to call a lot and will only reraise QQ+ AK here. They both fold though, one mentioned after the hand that he didn't want to play against me b/c he thought I was too tight.
Flop(4650chips): 9di 6he 3sp. He leads for 2000. Based on his previous betting patterns, these weak leads usually signify weakness. Because I believe he is weak in this hand, and my image is incredibly tight, and we are heads up, I feel that this is a good situation to make a play on this pot. The problem with me making the move on this flop, is that my standard r/r would be to 6k. This is the the type of player that is fearless and is capable of bluffing me allin with another reraise. Against this type of a player, I really want a situation where I can close the action with an allin bet. So I decide to call the 2k. My plan being to make a play on most boards that he bets into me on turn. If I hit a Q or 10, I will just call he leads into me. If he checks, I will check behind to conserve my tight image for later, to keep the pot small, and to induce bluffs on the river. If I don't pair, and he checks, I will try and take the pot away on either the turn or the river.
Turn (8650): 5 di. He leads for 5k. This is a great card for me to semi-bluff with, and this is also the ideal bet size for me. I can now be justified in reraising all-in without over betting. This is also a bet size that is going to give him a lot of trouble in calling my reraise. He'll have to call 19500 to win 38150. Getting 1.956:1 odds. With the the tight image that I have, this puts him in a really awful spot. I haven't shown anything that would prove me capable of making a play here. I have kept the pot small with top pair type hands, and have only tried to play a big pot with the virtual nuts. So if my bluff frequency is approx = to zero, the only hand he should call with is a set. So I shove. He thinks for a few minutes, and says "this is going to be really gross- but, I call." I say "nice call", but then he turns over Jdi 4di to my surpise. The river is a brick and I win a 58k pot with Q high.
Obviously the table is very shocked at this hand. He then goes off for a few minutes telling me how badly I played the hand. (Though he admitted, and everyone else at the table was sure i had a set). He continues to berate until I say "you can't be serious". I begin to explain my thought process (i know, a mistake) until he says i should have raised the flop instead of the turn. I start to respond to that, and he says "Im done, I don't feel like educating if you want to burn money". I feel its best not to press, and I remain silent until the table breaks. The rest of the table kept muttering under the breath though, some saying it was a good play, some saying it was bad, some saying it the worse hand they had ever seen.
My question, am i justified in making this play? Are the preconditions such that this will be profitable in the long run? Are there adjustments or variations to it that I should make? -
With your tight image i dont mind the play at all. Really gotta LOL at his call and him saying you played it bad.. WOW!
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lagtard got what he deserved. When I get fancy like this, it rarely works, but it did for you. Tried to take advantage of your image, that didn't work, but you won a big pot. Image is shot now but that's a good trade for a double up. This could definitely help you later in tourney though, as you have a little less predictability now.
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1. You had a great overall play read and cbet sizing reads on this guy.
2. You were ahead the whole time.
3. You put huge pressure on him and got him to stack off drawing thin.
What's to question about your play here?
He's the lagtard raising with J4s.
You don't need his approval, or the table to reaffirm your play. The chips and the EV are all the reward you need. Just keep quiet and use your new image to your advantage. -
I like the play a lot, especially given your reads and thought process. You had a plan for every situation that might arise on the turn:
"Because I believe he is weak in this hand, and my image is incredibly tight, and we are heads up, I feel that this is a good situation to make a play on this pot. The problem with me making the move on this flop, is that my standard r/r would be to 6k. This is the the type of player that is fearless and is capable of bluffing me allin with another reraise. Against this type of a player, I really want a situation where I can close the action with an allin bet. So I decide to call the 2k. My plan being to make a play on most boards that he bets into me on turn. If I hit a Q or 10, I will just call he leads into me. If he checks, I will check behind to conserve my tight image for later, to keep the pot small, and to induce bluffs on the river. If I don't pair, and he checks, I will try and take the pot away on either the turn or the river".
Do not even worry about the ignorant lagtard that is upset about how he spewed his chips with Jd4d. You should have told him no matter how bad you "think" I played the hand, your call on the turn is atrocious, end of story. -
Fairly standard, he played the hand worse than you did, I would just laugh him off and forget it I also think this hand shows the power of position.
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A huge part of poker is being observant enough to get the maximum amount of information on your opponents. You used all the information available to make a play that worked perfectly with your table image. Not to mention his range that you accurately weighed against made hands.
The thought process/analysis of the hand is the exact way a poker hand should be thought about. Well done!
I had a similar thought process during every hand of 2/4 limit @ the gold coast last week btw -
well played
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