I dont know if this is true or not, but I it wouldnt suprise me at all. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

http://www.pokerconduct.net/cgi-bin/...matebetshill01

I think it is.....Believe none of what you read, and half of what you see.

Come on Classy...give it a rest. It's just some moron making excuses for losing.

It would make no sense for them to have a shill that is just taking all the money. How does that benifit them at all. Yeah they get the money, but I bet they would get twice as much in rake if that money went to a bunch of break even players instead and had time to circulate.

Boke, what I see on UB lately is disgusting! I have always had my suspicions about them and now after my last 6 tournes getting ousted because I had less chips being 83/17 favorite, I think enough is enough. I dont beleive everything I read obviously, however I have seen so much BS on that site in both cash games and tournes, it wouldnt suprise me one bit. My advice, try any other site aside of UB or AP

I know for a fact that UB does have shills, or atleast had, as Fischman used to be one before he made it big. They do not have access to any holecards though.

Right....a lot of sites have prop players, but that's way different from having "house" players.

A prop player is simply someone who gets paid an hourly rate to stay in a game, so that others have people to play against. This is a claim that UB has a player who's actually playing "for the house," and who has an unfair advantage.

Todd. I never claimed them to be rigged, and I have been playing poker at a high level for years now to know something isnt right with them at all. Yes I used to win consistantly on UB and yes I even took bad beats during my run there. How is a prop player really different than a shill? either way it shouldnt be going on and its sad to even wonder why they would need a house player. Maybe the shill or prop doesnt see your whole cards, but they can manipulate the hands to favor certain players. I am not a sore loser and just looking for excuses, as there are numerous others posting things about UB and here are some more links from other sore losers? ya right

http://www.pokerconduct.net/cgi-bin/...atebetsabotage

http://www.pokerconduct.net/cgi-bin/...tebethushmoney

http://www.pokerconduct.net/cgi-bin/...commentstroops

OMG I was playing on UB the other day..... I was HU with this Guy in a SnG.... And he has less chips, and got his money in as a 70% to win the hand...... and it held up!!!!

I was playing the 200K the other day...... and I had a guy with a smaller stack than me all in his JJ against my AA. He hit a J on the turn........ Then I busted out when I got in with a dominated ace!

RIGGED!!!!!!!

Man, you're an idiot.

Sites aren't rigged.

Variance is a bitch.

There is a very obvious reason why sites have prop players.

Did you know that before the gigantic poker boom, that 99% of live casinos had prop players?

It's the same thing.

The old prop players got paid an hourly wage and the online ones probably get rakeback.

They jump in games that aren't going to get them started and have no control over the game or advantage over other players aside from rakeback or getting paid.

Again, you are not smart.

And again, you are not smart?
what a comeback sir. Not smart but when we were heads up in dise 150k for 34k prize, and not smart person kicked your ass and dominated you for an ass beating that gave you 2nd place!
And again, I am not smart

As an occasional prop and frequent short handed player I can tell you a few things that I know for sure.

UB does not employ props or shills. They did when they first started up I believe, as most sites do to get some people filling up the tables, but they have not paid anyone to prop there in many years.

I also set up propping deals for the members of my site, and I believe I know about every prop deal there is. A site as large as UB having a prop program would be impossible to keep completely secret, and I am sure I would have at least heard mention of it. I know of at least 15 sites taht employ props, along with numerous very small skins that have their own programs. None of them are as large as UB, and none of them are terribly hard to discover. Once you are referring props to one place you find the others easily.

Taking a bunch of beats in a row happens regularly when you are playing heads up. Against a good opponent who sees that you are folding too much preflop you will see them raising every hand. I do it myself frequently. When that happens the only time you see a showdown against that player is when they outflopped you. They knew you had a big starting hand, because you saw the flop. A solid short handed player will seem to be the luckiest bastard you've ever seen. I can't count the number of times I have had people tell me "You lucky SOB" and buy more chips.

The shorthanded game is just like that, beats and ugliness everywhere, and if you aren't good at it you will certainly think yourself terribly unlucky.

I dont know what your problem is with me. I had aplogized to you for anything that offened you from that tourne and I was sincere. Then you come out here and call my an idiot who isnt smart? Do you think this to be appropriate behavior when after you accepted my apology? I find it rude and uncalled for completely.

My post in this thread had nothing to do with what has happened between us previously and had everything to do with your tone and general misunderstanding of poker that was shown in your posts.

There are two kinds of poker players that I dislike more than any other and they are:

A) Those that don't understand variance and bitch and moan constantly about how unlucky they are.

B) Those that don't understand variance and bitch and moan because sites are rigged.

You complained in this thread about losing 6 83%ers in a roW!?!?!? omg?!?!

And then you said that it was not unlikely that there could be an on off switch for players on poker sites.

That set me off and I will not apologize for my posts.

Aside from that, I do accept your apologies from previously and do not have any problems with you. I was just trying to help you see the error of your ways.

No but if you think you need to fold just because someone has a bigger stack then YES you are a bad player