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Interesting isolation play by dmmikkell late in tourney- EDIT: not interesting but a standard laydown

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  1. George2Loose George2Loose is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:44pm)

    Is this an easy call given his range here?

    pokerstars Game #9524691226: Tournament #47726298, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2007/04/20 - 20:40:08 (ET)
    Table '47726298 12' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: etushekki (82618 in chips)
    Seat 2: John deVries (111212 in chips)
    Seat 4: Veg 101 (8882 in chips)
    Seat 5: wubwubwub (73454 in chips)
    Seat 6: dmmikkel (49059 in chips)
    Seat 7: Ceye22 (41336 in chips)
    Seat 8: George2Loose (52950 in chips)
    Seat 9: 507Kowboy (77440 in chips)
    etushekki: posts the ante 150
    John deVries: posts the ante 150
    Veg 101: posts the ante 150
    wubwubwub: posts the ante 150
    dmmikkel: posts the ante 150
    Ceye22: posts the ante 150
    George2Loose: posts the ante 150
    507Kowboy: posts the ante 150
    Ceye22: posts small blind 1500
    George2Loose: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to George2Loose [As Js]
    Ceye22 said, "lol yes"
    507Kowboy: folds
    etushekki: folds
    John deVries: folds
    Veg 101: raises 5732 to 8732 and is all-in
    wubwubwub: folds
    dmmikkel: raises 40177 to 48909 and is all-in
    Ceye22: folds
    George2Loose: ????
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  2. gillabong gillabong is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:49pm) in reply to George2Loose

    EZ fold
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:50pm) in reply to gillabong

    nop! u shouldnt even consider playing it.
     
  4. SN8WMAN SN8WMAN is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:52pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    im all in.
     
  5. George2Loose George2Loose is offline

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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:54pm) in reply to SN8WMAN

    any in depths analysis's????
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 8:59pm) in reply to George2Loose

    do you really need any?? its Ace Jack soooted for like 92% of your stack.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:03pm) in reply to George2Loose

    calling off your whole stack w/ AJ would be bad. I say fold, but i'm not a superstar
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:05pm) in reply to George2Loose

    what is so interesting about a standard laydown lol
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:12pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    Wacownage....

    I apologise for wasting everyone's time......
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:24pm) in reply to George2Loose

    results plz.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:29pm) in reply to SN8WMAN

    pokerstars Game #9524691226: Tournament #47726298, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2007/04/20 - 20:40:08 (ET)
    Table '47726298 12' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: etushekki (82618 in chips)
    Seat 2: John deVries (111212 in chips)
    Seat 4: Veg 101 (8882 in chips)
    Seat 5: wubwubwub (73454 in chips)
    Seat 6: dmmikkel (49059 in chips)
    Seat 7: Ceye22 (41336 in chips)
    Seat 8: George2Loose (52950 in chips)
    Seat 9: 507Kowboy (77440 in chips)
    etushekki: posts the ante 150
    John deVries: posts the ante 150
    Veg 101: posts the ante 150
    wubwubwub: posts the ante 150
    dmmikkel: posts the ante 150
    Ceye22: posts the ante 150
    George2Loose: posts the ante 150
    507Kowboy: posts the ante 150
    Ceye22: posts small blind 1500
    George2Loose: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to George2Loose [As Js]
    Ceye22 said, "lol yes"
    507Kowboy: folds
    etushekki: folds
    John deVries: folds
    Veg 101: raises 5732 to 8732 and is all-in
    wubwubwub: folds
    dmmikkel: raises 40177 to 48909 and is all-in
    Ceye22: folds
    George2Loose: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Jc 4c Ac]
    *** TURN *** [Jc 4c Ac] [5h]
    *** RIVER *** [Jc 4c Ac 5h] [6h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Veg 101: shows [9d Th] (high card Ace)
    dmmikkel: shows [Ts Ah] (a pair of Aces)
    dmmikkel collected 23164 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 23164 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc 4c Ac 5h 6h]
    Seat 1: etushekki folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: John deVries folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Veg 101 showed [9d Th] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 5: wubwubwub folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dmmikkel (button) showed [Ts Ah] and won (23164) with a pair of Aces
    Seat 7: Ceye22 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: George2Loose (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: 507Kowboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:33pm) in reply to TheWacoKidd

    I dont think this is a standard laydown at all.

    I am not saying I call but iam at least considering it very seriously here.

    And iam talking to bodogari about this hand right now and he says he calls in this spot.

    If dmikkell has like a8-a10 theres a really good chance he shoves.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:33pm) in reply to George2Loose

    obv.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:39pm) in reply to mig.com

    yea i mean he isnt folding A9 here and if he flat calls that wouldnt be enough to keep the BB out of it and if he makes it 16k he wouldnt want someone to make a play on him by shoving 40k and him having to probably fold.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:46pm) in reply to SN8WMAN

    thedylan, you cannot succeed at this game with that thought process.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 9:55pm) in reply to SN8WMAN

    i think the opponent in question is very capable of shoving wide here, but the equity of AJ here against his range is like 50% at best not including the dead money in the pot. Way too thin an edge when there are other donks to pounce on.

    If you had a monster stack though.... oooo its tempting
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:02pm) in reply to FollowMyRuin

    what if we disregard results and add a twist, do you call this if you absolutely put him on an underpair? or does the chance he has a raggidy ace affect this at all?
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:03pm) in reply to FollowMyRuin

    i am considered retardly aggresive and loose at some points, but i really cannot see how u can make this call, unless u have a veeeeeeery strong reason and seen dmmikel do it a few times in the last hour with Ace rage. Dmmikel is a very solid player who rarely gets out of line, but his widest range possible here would be A8+ , KQ+ , 22+, u re AJ has 47% .

    And in my opinion dmmikel'raise is not as wide. Also... there is another guy who pushed in early position and like it or not he will win the sidepot a significant amount of the time.

    I cannot see it from any angle and think that is even a marginal play.

    The situation changes very much if u have a maniac doing that... but thats not the case
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:06pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    i think the fact that dmikkel is the one shoving can make it a call, he knows A7,A8 is ahead of the guys range so he wont just fold it, he likes to toss his chips around taking a lot of chances.
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:08pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    Ari thinks his range is a lot wider than that
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:17pm) in reply to mig.com

    crazy cypriot doesnt :-)
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:34pm) in reply to Crazy Cypriot

    I have no previous read on dmmikkel but obv. know his reputation.

    I just felt when he shoved his range was quite wide.... but chose to fold because I could be easily dominated and didn't want to take a race at that point. Obv. trying not to be results orientated about the hand.

    Did a 4 way deal in the end so all's well that ends well
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:46pm) in reply to George2Loose

    i think im calling here

    waco and anyone else who says this is a standard laydown... GTFO :)
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 10:53pm) in reply to Andy McLEOD

    ya i'm real real on the fence here. I mean it's a big big risk but i think dmik has a pretty large range here, and it's def. a tourney momentum changing pot if you manage to scooooop it.
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 11:03pm) in reply to George2Loose

    u have 17bbs right? and a well known observant player is isolating 9k. Get them in here.
    Nice edit with the title...pff..hehehehe....
     
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    Apr 20th, 2007 (4/20/2007 11:52pm) in reply to OGPokerman

    While I do think this is a hand that warrants consideration, I believe this is a fold. I did a quick pokerstove calculation just to see what kind of equity AJs has against what I guessed was Dmmikkel's range. I think he isolates here with any pair 55-QQ, A9o+, A7s+ (I didn't include AA or KK because I think Dmmikkel would flat call with those hands and try to induce a re-shove, but you can include them if you like). Obviously that may not be exactly his range but it's probably not far off, maybe he can come on here and tell us what he needed to push here. Anyways, with that range AJs has about 49% equity, which is not great to be calling an all-in with especially considering he has another player to beat if he wants the main pot. There are some other things going on here too. Dmmikkel's chip stack, while certainly not large by any stretch, doesn't really put him in desperation. He has 16 bb's, and he may not even be in push/fold mode. In fact, with Dmmikkel's stack size, he's comfortorably in re-steal mode, and losing this pot slightly hurts his re-raise fold equity. I'm sure he would rather re-raise all in in a pot where he thinks his opponent would usually fold and pick up chips w/o a showdown than call an all-in, even if it is from a short stack. The point is, his range may even be tighter here, making this a fold.
     
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    Apr 21st, 2007 (4/21/2007 12:09am) in reply to Andy McLEOD

    hmmm. u saying i m too tight andy ???^o)
     
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    Apr 21st, 2007 (4/21/2007 12:10am) in reply to AGame18

    disclaimer: Vs an isolation by Andy i would call... i just take a lot into consideration that it was dmmickel who isolated there
     
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    Apr 22nd, 2007 (4/22/2007 1:12am) in reply to AGame18

    fwiw your range is way way way too narrow imo
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    Apr 22nd, 2007 (4/22/2007 1:45am) in reply to Andy McLEOD

    I think its a v tough spot. not an easy call or fold
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