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what do you do here?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2118183293: The Sunday Mulligan (15504005), Table 31 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:25:10 ET - 2007/04/01
Seat 1: salomon4ever (5,455)
Seat 2: Toran1212 (6,930)
Seat 3: slothrop2 (2,895)
Seat 4: CorneliusMagnus (1,785)
Seat 5: JOSECANSECO (2,925)
Seat 6: brandogg (885)
Seat 7: MrTimCaum (3,055)
Seat 8: Claw1980 (2,835)
Seat 9: Guguita (3,235)
salomon4ever posts the small blind of 15
Toran1212 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Claw1980 [Ks Kh]
slothrop2 raises to 105
CorneliusMagnus folds
JOSECANSECO folds
brandogg folds
MrTimCaum folds
Claw1980 calls 105
Guguita raises to 330
salomon4ever folds
Toran1212 folds
slothrop2 calls 225
Claw1980 has 15 seconds left to act -
AIPF
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660 or 720
or just repop all in for the steal -
why did you just call slothrop2's raise in 2nd position- there are 2 things that can come from playing the hand this way:
1) you get a call parade and you have no idea where you are at when the flop hits
2) you actually do get a re raise from a mid to late pos player and you pop him back, if he doesnt have AA then you have just telegraphed your hand- this reminds me of the limp-reraise utg that people seem to enjoy doing these days- you might as well just type in the chat box what you have and save time
this may be your style but the only time i like flat calling raises with QQ+ is deep deep in a tournament where I am at least 85-90% sure it is going to be heads up pot
just my opinion gl
srf -
i think repopping an utg raiser looks verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry huge especially in utg +1 where everyone knows that you know the utg raiser is supposedly strong and you do not fear his strength- that sends a crystal clear message to the rest of the table and one of the only hand that may come over the top is AA any thing else (even ak) is gonna consider laying down IMO- i dont know buy in level or anything but mostly that is irrelevant because even the biggest in donks at your table can see what is developing here-
also, give a reraise, and with all the above information put together and you STILL get a 3rd raise in you might want to reevaluate your hand now that you have the pieces put together- "third raise is usually aces or kings" and you have KK sooooooo- another quote that comes to mind "if you are unsure use the KISS method, Keep It Simple Stupid"
srf -
so if my reraise lets any hand but aa get away why should i reraise? i smooth called for that reason, and his reraise and then the smooth call both looked really strong to me. thus i didnt know what to do when i make the smooth call i am planning on accumulating chips post flop that i dont think i can do with a rereaise, but seeing as how i get reraised behind, i wish i had reraised obv.
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I like your game Claw..... Im interested to see how you played this. Personally I put in the 3 bet. Calling here doesnt gain you any information. Although your hand is extremely disguised which is a good thing. Are you really worried that you're up against AA here and this is why you're so uncertain as to what to do? What if the flop come 2-6-9 rainbow.... What do you do facing bets now?
Edit: Doesnt your call widen Guguitas range to raise here? And slots call basically eliminate him from holding AA? -
^I think you just answered your own question- reraising gets you more info and makes you guess less and over time will save you chips in situations where you can lay KK preflop because you have used your tool to gain all of the information you need to make an informed decision
(i had a whole numbers thing typed out but deleted so here is the summary)
srf -
yeah i was really concerned about being up against AA, the speed of hte button's reraise and the fact that he made a relatively small reraise sent up huge warning bells for me; and then i didnt know what ot make of the UTG smooth call, i thought about it a long time really only considering moving in or folding.
Full Tilt Poker Game #2118183293: The Sunday Mulligan (15504005), Table 31 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:25:10 ET - 2007/04/01
Seat 1: salomon4ever (5,455)
Seat 2: Toran1212 (6,930)
Seat 3: slothrop2 (2,895)
Seat 4: CorneliusMagnus (1,785)
Seat 5: JOSECANSECO (2,925)
Seat 6: brandogg (885)
Seat 7: MrTimCaum (3,055)
Seat 8: Claw1980 (2,835)
Seat 9: Guguita (3,235)
salomon4ever posts the small blind of 15
Toran1212 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Claw1980 [Ks Kh]
slothrop2 raises to 105
CorneliusMagnus folds
JOSECANSECO folds
brandogg folds
MrTimCaum folds
Claw1980 calls 105
Guguita raises to 330
salomon4ever folds
Toran1212 folds
slothrop2 calls 225
Claw1980 has 15 seconds left to act
Claw1980 raises to 2,835, and is all in
Guguita raises to 3,235, and is all in
slothrop2 folds
Guguita shows [As Ac]
Claw1980 shows [Ks Kh]
Uncalled bet of 400 returned to Guguita
Claw1980: i almost mucked.
Claw1980: nh
*** FLOP *** [6c 8s 9s]
*** TURN *** [6c 8s 9s] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [6c 8s 9s 2s] [Ts]
Guguita shows a flush, Ace high
Claw1980 shows a flush, King high
Guguita wins the pot (6,045) with a flush, Ace high
Claw1980 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,045 | Rake 0
Board: [6c 8s 9s 2s Ts]
Seat 1: salomon4ever (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Toran1212 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: slothrop2 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: CorneliusMagnus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: JOSECANSECO didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: brandogg didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: MrTimCaum didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Claw1980 showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 9: Guguita (button) showed [As Ac] and won (6,045) with a flush, Ace high
EDIT: fife, i agree with both points, i honestly thought utg had a hand like two tens, but i wasn't positive where to put his range but it didnt include AA in my mind; my call does induce a squeeze but its so early for that i didnt feel like thats what Gug was doing, if he had either taken longer or raised more i may have been more inclined to believe he was protecting a middleish pair here. i can't muck kings preflop, but i had a really really strong hunch here. -
I like this play I assume your doing it to trap or win a big pot early. Id def pop it up or even just jam it in to make your hand look weak. DO NOT play this passively because only bad things will happen.
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I hear ya. Is there any way to put in the 3 bet and still be able to fold to a shove here? Probably not because that would have you putting in like 40% of your stack in preflop and folding KK to a shove which just isnt a winning play. Although with such a strong read, sometimes you have to make a situational play as oppossed to long term ev, pot odds, etc etc.
I totally agree with the fact him squeezing doesnt make much sense with such small blinds.
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