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Interesting Omaha hand....What hand has he put me on here to call?

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  1. JONAH J JONAH J is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 6:00am)

    Original Raiser was a bit of a raising station but would often fold to a pot bet on the flop if he missed but liked to call down with drawing hands. Guy who calls original raise just loked to look at every flop so wasnt too worried by him. I reraised to take the action away from the raiser as i was in position. When the flop hits me i pot bet all in and he calls instantly.. What hand could he think i have ?

    Table '34146710 8' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: ShrleyTemple (1385 in chips)
    Seat 2: GBPoker31 (2545 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 3: Kimm (1260 in chips)
    Seat 4: DomChoi (2215 in chips)
    Seat 5: KookieMonstr (1400 in chips)
    Seat 6: coffeemaker (2215 in chips)
    Seat 7: milesy123 (4500 in chips)
    Seat 8: JONAH J (1080 in chips)
    Seat 9: stmmp_97 (2145 in chips)
    Kimm: posts small blind 15
    DomChoi: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to JONAH J [8h 9c Jd Qc]
    KookieMonstr: folds
    coffeemaker: raises 30 to 60
    milesy123: calls 60
    JONAH J: raises 225 to 285
    stmmp_97: folds
    ShrleyTemple: folds
    GBPoker31: folds
    Kimm: folds
    DomChoi: folds
    coffeemaker: calls 225
    milesy123: calls 225
    *** FLOP *** [Ts Jh 5c]
    coffeemaker: checks
    milesy123: checks
    JONAH J: bets 795 and is all-in
    coffeemaker: calls 795
    milesy123: folds
    *** TURN *** [Ts Jh 5c] [8c]
    *** RIVER *** [Ts Jh 5c 8c] [7c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    coffeemaker: shows [4c 5d 6c 3d] (a straight flush, Four to Eight)
    JONAH J: shows [8h 9c Jd Qc] (a flush, Queen high)
    coffeemaker collected 2490 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2490 | Rake 0
    Board [Ts Jh 5c 8c 7c]
    Seat 1: ShrleyTemple folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: GBPoker31 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Kimm (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: DomChoi (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: KookieMonstr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: coffeemaker showed [4c 5d 6c 3d] and won (2490) with a straight flush, Four to Eight
    Seat 7: milesy123 folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: JONAH J showed [8h 9c Jd Qc] and lost with a flush, Queen high
    Seat 9: stmmp_97 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. dirtyneill dirtyneill is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 6:13am) in reply to JONAH J

    Two possibilities..

    1. misclick

    2. gambling
  3. TamaTime TamaTime is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 8:21am) in reply to dirtyneill

    as dumb as this sounds: He likely put you on a naked AAxx and thought (incorrectly) that he had 11 outs to pair it up and ship it out..
  4. johnd13 johnd13 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 8:31am) in reply to JONAH J

    You raised preflop with 89JQ?
  5. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 8:45am) in reply to johnd13

    I think that raise is just fine if the table's been pretty tight.

    His call is incomprehensible. Probably not something I needed to see first thing in the morning.
     
  6. johnd13 johnd13 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 9:25am) in reply to grapsfan

    You call off 25% of your chips preflop with 89JQ at 15/30 blinds? Damn I'm a tightass ...lol
  7. grapsfan grapsfan is offline Head Curmudgeon

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 10:35am) in reply to johnd13

    First of all, he's not calling, he's raising.

    I'd never recommend this play if there was already a raise and call in front of him to get to that point. But IMO, PL Omaha is about finding a good drawing hand and putting chips in with it. And I think the OP's done just that.

    If you want to tell me that he should be tighter at Level 1, that's fine too. There's always different ways to play the game. I've never played a PL Omaha tournament that wasn't a rebuy, so maybe my approach isn't the best for this tournament situation.
     
  8. johnd13 johnd13 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 10:47am) in reply to grapsfan

    Bad choice of words on my part...

    Guess that's the one consistent thing about poker, not every player plays the same and there are almost as many different styles as there are players. It's always good to get a few different viewpoints on a hand, I think it helps just about anyone who reads the post..

    I can agree on one thing, the call of the allin is just horrible...lol
  9. tieful tieful is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 11:01am) in reply to dirtyneill

    clearly he was playing for the straight flush
  10. JONAH J JONAH J is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 1:17pm) in reply to johnd13

    Thanks for your views , normally i wouldnt like the raise here myself but after seeing the range of hands he was opening with i thought it was a good play.. If i miss the flop i can get away from it and still have 700 chips left with the blinds quite low, whereas if i hit a good flop i can win a big pot in (in relation to my chipstack at that time). I also think in Omaha if you are the type of player to only reraise with AAXX or KKXX then you become an easy player to read and these hands are alot more vulnerable than in Holdem.
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  11. Stupor_Mundi Stupor_Mundi is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 1:27pm) in reply to JONAH J

    The stakes might explain this play. I see crap like this in the five freezeouts all of the time (probably why I get so frustrated by them while having a decent winning %). Jonah, can you enlighten us as to the stakes of this tournament? Because if it's a 10 freeze or even the donkey 1 freeze then this is perfectly explainable... not a good play by any stretch of the imagination, but not so frustrating. Be glad you got the call. You were a huge fave.
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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 1:29pm) in reply to grapsfan

    Graps, you've actually got a good grasp on this. I play huge draws fast in cash games more times than not and I get paid more times than not (either by folded two pairs or by drawn out hands when I was the favorite). Just like in hold'em, the burden of justification for a raise or a bet is much much less than it is for just flat calling (unless the fold equity is terrible).
  13. JONAH J JONAH J is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 1:35pm) in reply to Stupor_Mundi

    Yes it was a $10 freezeout Mundi, and your right i wanted the call just not the 1 outer river :)
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  14. johnd13 johnd13 is offline

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    Nov 9th, 2006 (11/9/2006 2:40pm) in reply to JONAH J

    Thanks to the OP and the posters for their comments, always looking to learn a little....
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