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interesting spot in 65k....who does what here and why

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  1. iloseflips2424 iloseflips2424 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:04pm)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #9238343120: $65,000 Guarantee (69034572), Table 12 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:23:07 ET - 2008/11/29

    Seat 1: mr_orange99 (12,802)

    Seat 2: Ari (10,476)

    Seat 3: Pumpkin Eater66 (6,964)

    Seat 4: lilkimmer77 (5,760)

    Seat 5: Ugottook420 (11,600)

    Seat 6: Pimpnuho (2,505)

    Seat 7: iloseflips2424 (10,213)

    Seat 8: McLovinFTW (14,055)

    mr_orange99 antes 25

    Ari antes 25

    Pumpkin Eater66 antes 25

    lilkimmer77 antes 25

    Ugottook420 antes 25

    Pimpnuho antes 25

    iloseflips2424 antes 25

    McLovinFTW antes 25

    lilkimmer77 posts the small blind of 120

    Ugottook420 posts the big blind of 240

    The button is in seat #3

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to iloseflips2424 [Jd Ah]

    Pimpnuho raises to 2,480, and is all in

    iloseflips2424 has 15 seconds left to act

    iloseflips2424 has requested TIME
    ???????????
     
  2. nw25th nw25th is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:14pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    early pos....easy snap fold....

    edit: in such an early position with marginal holdings there is not reason to get involved with this hand...do you want to call a 1/4 of your stack and then get raised from later pos...if you fire all in after him you only get called by better, really easy fold in this pos...if on button, SB, or BB a call might be in order...
  3. Diggs Diggs is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:27pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    I fold.
  4. 8888kush 8888kush is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:36pm) in reply to Diggs

    I like a fold here, at best I think you are a flip.
  5. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:46pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    I think you have this particular player's range crushed in this spot. The problem is you have 6 players left to act behind you and it's just too risky to call (because youd have to fold to a push behind you) and push (because you have 6 people to go thru and every hand that calls you has you destroyed). I fold here. AQs would be a really sticky spot imo.
     
  6. sandler1860 sandler1860 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 10:50pm) in reply to 8888kush

     
    Originally Posted by 8888kush View Post

    I like a fold here, at best I think you are a flip.

    I agree to a fold, but def not bc of this. Id fathom that Pimp's utg shoving range with 10 BBs at an 8 handed table is ridiculously huge....something like 22+, A8+, pretty much any 2 broadways, and a shitload of middle sooted connector type hands.
     
  7. JDsmith9 JDsmith9 is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 11:31pm) in reply to sandler1860

    Meh, I don't agree with you here sandler (although i usually do). I've played with pimpnuho like infinite times and I would actually fold AJ here to him. I think 55+ and A10s+, prob KQ would be more accurate imo
     
  8. threeven threeven is offline

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    Nov 29th, 2008 (11/29/2008 11:34pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    fold

    he is prob shipping AT+ ish and there are like 47 people left to act behind you
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  9. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:07am) in reply to sandler1860

     
    Originally Posted by sandler1860 View Post

    I think you have this particular player's range crushed in this spot. The problem is you have 6 players left to act behind you and it's just too risky to call (because youd have to fold to a push behind you) and push (because you have 6 people to go thru and every hand that calls you has you destroyed). I fold here. AQs would be a really sticky spot imo.

    exactly what i would have written. you crush the shovers range but with so many people behind you could go busto with a relativly big stakc
     
  10. Gags30 Gags30 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:16am) in reply to pikappraider78

    against a random i snap-fold here all day

    knowing that utg is competent, i think i'ts still close, and still fold
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  11. iloseflips2424 iloseflips2424 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:26am) in reply to iloseflips2424

    thanks for the responses guys. since some of you think im ahead of pimp's range, which i agree, is there not some argument towards isoing with a shove? I know there's 6 players to act behind, but aren't jj+ and ak the only hands id be worried about calling? i believe aq and 1010 would be a fold to my shove. thoughts please.

    also im sure most will hate the idea of flatting, but curious to see if that could be considered by some as well.
     
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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 1:06am) in reply to iloseflips2424

     
    Originally Posted by iloseflips2424 View Post


    also im sure most will hate the idea of flatting, but curious to see if that could be considered by some as well.

    flatting would be horribad and that should be really obvious.

    fold>>>shove>>>flatting
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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 9:20am) in reply to TheVillageGrinder

    there is too good of a chance someone will have you beat. Combined with the fact that you could be behind the first shove you should fold.

    Sorry you ran into JJ
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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:24pm) in reply to JDsmith9

     
    Originally Posted by JDsmith9 View Post

    Meh, I don't agree with you here sandler (although i usually do). I've played with pimpnuho like infinite times and I would actually fold AJ here to him. I think 55+ and A10s+, prob KQ would be more accurate imo

    Agree with JD here..shoving ranges at 10bbs in EP have actually become tighter from my experience and i would def be folding AJ here. And more importantly there are 6 hands behind you as well.
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  15. iloseflips2424 iloseflips2424 is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:26pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    So yes, I was indeed ahead of pimp, who had k4s, but unfortunately i ran into jj behind me. not to be results oriented though....
     
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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:28pm) in reply to gutshtallin

     
    Originally Posted by gutshtallin View Post

     
    Originally Posted by JDsmith9 View Post

    Meh, I don't agree with you here sandler (although i usually do). I've played with pimpnuho like infinite times and I would actually fold AJ here to him. I think 55+ and A10s+, prob KQ would be more accurate imo

    Agree with JD here..shoving ranges at 10bbs in EP have actually become tighter from my experience and i would def be folding AJ here. And more importantly there are 6 hands behind you as well.

    Just found out Pimp had K4s. So my range for him actually wasnt wide enough. :)
     
  17. gutshtallin gutshtallin is offline

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    Nov 30th, 2008 (11/30/2008 12:29pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

     
    Originally Posted by iloseflips2424 View Post

    So yes, I was indeed ahead of pimp, who had k4s, but unfortunately i ran into jj behind me. not to be results oriented though....

    That actually suprises me that he shoves that light from UTG... dont like that at all.

    Guess i need to update my notes on him..
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  18. gershenator1 gershenator1 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 10:23pm) in reply to threeven

     
    Originally Posted by threeven View Post

    fold

    he is prob shipping AT+ ish and there are like 47 people left to act behind you

     
  19. MarkFSU1 MarkFSU1 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 10:37pm) in reply to gershenator1

    pimpnuho is a loose player imo and this is an easy call if ur position on the table isnt so bad. but theres just too many ppl to act behind u to make this a call...ez fold here...
     
  20. goodtimes417 goodtimes417 is offline

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    Dec 1st, 2008 (12/1/2008 11:37pm) in reply to iloseflips2424

    shipping UTG looks pretty strong just by reading your arguments.... if your playing thinking players..... i might like it...
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    Dec 2nd, 2008 (12/2/2008 12:32am) in reply to iloseflips2424

     
    Originally Posted by iloseflips2424 View Post

    So yes, I was indeed ahead of pimp, who had k4s, but unfortunately i ran into jj behind me. not to be results oriented though....

    i fold this in all spots but if folded to me in button or SB i reship and i snapcall from BB if folded to me
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    Dec 2nd, 2008 (12/2/2008 12:54am) in reply to iloseflips2424

    do you really need the answer to this>? its just AJ remember its not even a made hand and alot of hands beat it. Plus Your could run into something bigger than ameasily AJ behind you
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