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Interesting Spot with top pair+ draw in 10$ deepstack. opinions?

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  1. ijstshatonu ijstshatonu is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 8:58pm)

    Villain has been pretty solid, haven't seen him do anything out of line, and I've been at the table for quite a while. Based on chat he views me as spewy. We are pretty deep and i was fairly certain that he had an overpair and I felt i could just call and still get payed off based on his view of me. My plan was to call almost any turn, but I didn't like the turn because I think it took some of my outs, and his bet was fairly big. I decided to just fold. Thoughts? WWYD

    Full Tilt Poker Game #20059087688: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (153623499), Table 125 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:40:06 ET - 2010/04/13
    Seat 1: IjstSHATonU (18,385)
    Seat 2: LexxLord (3,115)
    Seat 3: blackphenom (25,443)
    Seat 4: darwin180985 (10,115)
    Seat 5: snoop86 (3,940)
    Seat 6: llvllaLa (10,925)
    Seat 7: thegame1877 (5,805)
    Seat 8: mAkinjAck (13,070)
    Seat 9: wboyd6 (10,205)
    LexxLord posts the small blind of 60
    blackphenom posts the big blind of 120
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to IjstSHATonU [Td 9d]
    darwin180985 calls 120
    snoop86 folds
    llvllaLa folds
    thegame1877 folds
    mAkinjAck folds
    wboyd6 raises to 360
    IjstSHATonU calls 360
    LexxLord folds
    blackphenom folds
    darwin180985 calls 240
    *** FLOP *** [8d 9h 3d]
    darwin180985 checks
    wboyd6 has 15 seconds left to act
    wboyd6 bets 900
    IjstSHATonU has 15 seconds left to act
    IjstSHATonU calls 900
    darwin180985 folds
    *** TURN *** [8d 9h 3d] [3s]
    wboyd6 bets 2,200
    IjstSHATonU has 15 seconds left to act
    IjstSHATonU has timed out
    IjstSHATonU folds
    IjstSHATonU is sitting out
    Uncalled bet of 2,200 returned to wboyd6
    wboyd6 mucks
    wboyd6 wins the pot (3,060)
    IjstSHATonU has returned
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3,060 | Rake 0
    Board: [8d 9h 3d 3s]
    Seat 1: IjstSHATonU (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: LexxLord (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 3: blackphenom (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: darwin180985 folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: snoop86 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 6: llvllaLa didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 7: thegame1877 didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 8: mAkinjAck didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 9: wboyd6 collected (3,060), mucked
  2. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 8:59pm) in reply to ijstshatonu

    raise flop
     
  3. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 9:00pm) in reply to ijstshatonu

    Get it in on the flop. The call is super bad imo.
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  4. ijstshatonu ijstshatonu is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 9:06pm) in reply to MakeMeMaster

    I don't understand why I'm getting it in on the flop knowing that he has an overpair. Why gamble with these stack sizes?
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  5. okse54 okse54 is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 9:19pm) in reply to ijstshatonu

     
    Originally Posted by ijstshatonu View Post


    I don't understand why I'm getting it in on the flop knowing that he has an overpair. Why gamble with these stack sizes?

    #1 i dont know how u can "know" he has an overpair based on a preflop raise and 1 flop bet, its defenitly a likely holding but i doubt we can put it at 100%

    #2 even if u are correct and he has an over pr

    Board: 9h 8d 3d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { Td9d }
    Hand 1: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { AcAs }

    we r still favored
     
  6. mikewebb68 mikewebb68 is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2010 (4/13/2010 9:29pm) in reply to okse54

    I agree, and, as played, by not raising flop you had no idea where you were in the hand.
     
  7. ijstshatonu ijstshatonu is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 2:09am) in reply to mikewebb68

    TTT
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  8. nezbit nezbit is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 2:16am) in reply to ijstshatonu

    top pair flushdraw is a fav over and overpair. i like raising flop. calling turn isnt bad either. he might just be double barreling knowing that the flop misses most hands and that the 3 most likely didnt change the flop.

    i like raise flop best, then call shove.
  9. fly44 fly44 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 2:28am) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post


    #1 i dont know how u can "know" he has an overpair based on a preflop raise and 1 flop bet, its defenitly a likely holding but i doubt we can put it at 100%

    #2 even if u are correct and he has an over pr

    Board: 9h 8d 3d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { Td9d }
    Hand 1: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { AcAs }

    we r still favored

    What about meow:

    Board: 8d 9h 3d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 55.505% 54.14% 01.36% 1608 40.50 { TT }
    Hand 1: 44.495% 43.13% 01.36% 1281 40.50 { Td9d }



    But, yea raising is better because worst case we are racing, best case he has shit and folds or he has something and folds.
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  10. feltmelter feltmelter is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 4:16am) in reply to ijstshatonu

    i think folding the turn here is bad for a number of reasons.
  11. lordxixor101 lordxixor101 is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 9:35am) in reply to okse54

     
    Originally Posted by okse54 View Post


    #1 i dont know how u can "know" he has an overpair based on a preflop raise and 1 flop bet, its defenitly a likely holding but i doubt we can put it at 100%

    #2 even if u are correct and he has an over pr

    Board: 9h 8d 3d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { Td9d }
    Hand 1: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { AcAs }

    we r still favored

    And building on this, you are favored on the flop. However, if you are 52% to win the hand from flop/river, your only about 26% to hit the turn. However, on the turn, when you miss, you now can face another huge bet (looking like you have a flush draw with your call), and then be priced into folding.

    It's why I think you need to take advantge when your ahead. I agree a 3 is a bad card, but a 2clubs really isn't a good card for you in this spot, and you can't be excited to be paying off that same bet if that hit.

  12. FenwayKing FenwayKing is offline The Well: FenwayKing

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 9:46am) in reply to ijstshatonu

    raise/get it in on flop
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  13. ajedrez ajedrez is offline

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    Apr 14th, 2010 (4/14/2010 10:21am) in reply to FenwayKing

    ur a favorite against an overpair brah, the only hand we dont want to see is a set, and even so we still have outs.

    raise it up.
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