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  1. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 7:02am)

    Utg jammer is a reg and profitable. Standard easy fold? Can not imagine ever being ahead here and lots of peeps with stacks behind.

    What are you jamming here? Thx.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #27673428537: $21,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (214823346), Table 204 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:27:40 ET - 2011/01/28
    Seat 1: piesk (135,002)
    Seat 2: DEADF15H (179,384)
    Seat 3: SoCalChip (30,394)
    Seat 4: bgddy (168,887)
    Seat 5: achilles4 (180,370)
    Seat 6: xumasso99 (50,153)
    Seat 7: Flintstone Pip (93,182)
    Seat 8: TookUrNotes (83,831)
    Seat 9: Pick6man (202,525)
    piesk antes 600
    DEADF15H antes 600
    SoCalChip antes 600
    bgddy antes 600
    achilles4 antes 600
    xumasso99 antes 600
    Flintstone Pip antes 600
    TookUrNotes antes 600
    Pick6man antes 600
    xumasso99 posts the small blind of 2,500
    Flintstone Pip posts the big blind of 5,000
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Pick6man [7h 7c]
    TookUrNotes raises to 83,231, and is all in
    Pick6man has 15 seconds left to act
    Pick6man
     
  2. RazorFish00 RazorFish00 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 7:13am) in reply to Pick6man

    I am folding since even if it only him I am against I am flipping most times and the fact that there is 7 after you to act I am sure you will be finding a better spot plus you are deep enough that there is no desperation call needed
    Edited By: RazorFish00 Jan 28th, 2011 at 07:14 AM
  3. kid duke10 kid duke10 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 7:13am) in reply to Pick6man

    fold i hate calling off flip at best usually especially with 40x
     
  4. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 8:37am) in reply to kid duke10

     
    Originally Posted by kid duke10 View Post

    fold i hate calling off flip at best usually especially with 40x

    Yea....I can not envision just calling here just to get potentially shipped on and have to go through that agony. Dumb thread actually now that I have thought about it a bit more.

    But what should you be iso jamming here 40bbs deep? Obv image has a lot to do with this question but just in general.
     
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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 10:17am) in reply to Pick6man

     
    Originally Posted by Pick6man View Post

    Yea....I can not envision just calling here just to get potentially shipped on and have to go through that agony. Dumb thread actually now that I have thought about it a bit more.

    But what should you be iso jamming here 40bbs deep? Obv image has a lot to do with this question but just in general.

    I'm flatting 99+/ AQ here, never jamming over the top, calling my entire range :)
  6. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 10:40am) in reply to eDaN

    With 7 people to act behind and fairly deep stacked its AKs or QQ+ for me. Be interested to hear other people ranges.
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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 11:35am) in reply to Sagacious Man

     
    Originally Posted by Sagacious Man View Post

    With 7 people to act behind and fairly deep stacked its AKs or QQ+ for me. Be interested to hear other people ranges.

    this is more than tight, folding AQ here or TT/JJ is ridic, 99 is debatable but still reasonable
  8. Ntaust10 Ntaust10 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 11:44am) in reply to eDaN

    He's at like 16.5BB now. If he folds pre, after the blinds he'll be under 15. If he shoves and tid he'll be over 19 before the blinds. He may be making a play here. He is obviously appearing strong, but I feel like a lot more people, espcially regs, show up with hands that we do pretty well against more than we think. I don't know if its just me, but it seems like more and more people(read: regs) have been open-shoving UTG with a lot of "air" (qj,q10,kq,22-77,etc.) just to steal. And, would he really be open shoving QQ+ here? Seems like 88-JJ is all you have to worry about. I don't mind flipping here, but you almost always will be.

    If you do anything it's a flat, which I would do with my entire range. Tough spot, but I would call. I play bad, though.
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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 11:47am) in reply to eDaN

    folding 101% of the time, also folding 99 101% of the time
    Edited By: Sweet Call Jan 28th, 2011 at 11:48 AM
    Reason: still folding
     
  10. eDaN eDaN is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 11:52am) in reply to Ntaust10

     
    Originally Posted by Ntaust10 View Post

    He's at like 16.5BB now. If he folds pre, after the blinds he'll be under 15. If he shoves and tid he'll be over 19 before the blinds. He may be making a play here. He is obviously appearing strong, but I feel like a lot more people, espcially regs, show up with hands that we do pretty well against more than we think. I don't know if its just me, but it seems like more and more people(read: regs) have been open-shoving UTG with a lot of "air" (qj,q10,kq,22-77,etc.) just to steal. And, would he really be open shoving QQ+ here? Seems like 88-JJ is all you have to worry about. I don't mind flipping here, but you almost always will be.

    If you do anything it's a flat, which I would do with my entire range. Tough spot, but I would call. I play bad, though.

    I don't think any good regs will be shoving the ranges you named, also there are obv ppl that are unbalanced in those spots and openraise QQ+ instead of shoving but it's rly weird that you say he would openraise QQ+ cos that would actually be a major leak and no good reg would ever do that, so if he's shoving 88+ (obv including QQ+) you're better of folding cos vs that range you're pretty crushed, not speaking about 7 players left to act
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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 1:40pm) in reply to eDaN

    i think this might be one of those spots that AQ is over valued by the poker community. i would find a problem not isoing AQ here personally, but if we hate calling with a flip at best with 7s, what are we expecting to ever be ahead of w AQ. and more, not only is AQ a flip at best but it is a slight underdog to most of his range, i would say it might be better to call here when we think our openent has a wider range, but his utg open all in suggests a lot of strength. not saying i would fold AQ cus obv i'm taught not to but i kinda wonder if its a winning play long term. would like to hear other opinions on this, my evaluation is iso with 1010+ and AK but i doubt i would fold AQ just bc i cant ughh
    Edited By: tb4rizzl Jan 28th, 2011 at 01:41 PM
  12. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 4:41pm) in reply to tb4rizzl

    Fold, at best your flipping.
  13. l1eyedjackl l1eyedjackl is offline

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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 5:40pm) in reply to Pops28

    I've been really deepstacked the last few days and had made terrible calls acting like superman to try and keep the momentum going to win... The only place it's got me is out of the tourney...there is no need to flip a coin here with all those chips u have.. Your the table captain, keep it that way.. Wait for a much better spot!!
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    Jan 28th, 2011 (1/28/2011 7:50pm) in reply to l1eyedjackl

    Folding this and 88. Not folding 99
     
  15. Pick6man Pick6man is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 1:49am) in reply to gar2garvin

    77-99, AQ against utg jammers range does well enough to take the spot and gamble for the 16bbs. The crappy part is the 7 others behind and you can not be to happy when you get squeezed and a ton of chips in the middle and flatting has to look huge in the first place so how well are you really doing when squeezed?
     
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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 2:06am) in reply to gar2garvin

     
    Originally Posted by gar2garvin View Post

    Folding this and 88. Not folding 99

    and never flatting
     
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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 3:28am) in reply to gar2garvin

    folding obv, too much at stake with just 77
     
  18. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 3:47am) in reply to aniceboy

    Fold obv just because of exposure & positional dynamic, however i think 99+/AQ+ is a solid calling range
  19. Talewine09 Talewine09 is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 10:01am) in reply to rainmanrcp

    fold to the competent reg. and fins a better spot later in the tourney with your stack. my calling/iso range is TT+ AK...maybe AQ depending on opponents aggressiveness with a short stack..fwiw
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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 10:22am) in reply to Talewine09

    foldski
     
  21. trist23 trist23 is offline

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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 5:05pm) in reply to silkhandlez

    Probably flatting QQ+, reshoving TT/JJ/AK/AQ....come to think of it, I'd throw 99 into the iso range as well....I think AQ might be closer than you think here as well....however, this being the 3r on tilt I probably play less optimally than i should be playing
     
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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 6:11pm) in reply to trist23

    Snap fold
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    Jan 29th, 2011 (1/29/2011 6:54pm) in reply to trist23

     
    Originally Posted by trist23 View Post

    Probably flatting QQ+, reshoving TT/JJ/AK/AQ....come to think of it, I'd throw 99 into the iso range as well....I think AQ might be closer than you think here as well....however, this being the 3r on tilt I probably play less optimally than i should be playing

    flatting QQ+ and flatting the rest can't be good cause your range is not balanced which makes your game readable and I would agree on the 3r part but it's the 18pm 26$ (normally 32k but double gtk week)
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    Jan 30th, 2011 (1/30/2011 3:50am) in reply to eDaN

    Folding. Calling with 1010/AK+ .
     
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