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ITM in the 18k Super Stack on Full Tilt..WWYD

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  1. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 2:20am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #27458476773: $18K Super Stack (Early Antes) (213133075), Table 73 - 1000/2000 Ante 250 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:09:13 ET - 2011/01/20
    Seat 1: Armando2833 (98,096)
    Seat 2: Rudy Ryf (97,494)
    Seat 3: brusco1 (24,729)
    Seat 4: sbullentator (29,353)
    Seat 5: hunterbeast1 (49,121)
    Seat 6: Pick6man (27,988)
    Seat 7: Borcheto (32,657)
    Seat 8: Bingooooooo69 (22,510)
    Seat 9: alex-230981 (46,701)
    Armando2833 antes 250
    Rudy Ryf antes 250
    brusco1 antes 250
    sbullentator antes 250
    hunterbeast1 antes 250
    Pick6man antes 250
    Borcheto antes 250
    Bingooooooo69 antes 250
    alex-230981 antes 250
    brusco1 posts the small blind of 1,000
    sbullentator posts the big blind of 2,000
    The button is in seat #2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Armando2833 [Qc Ah]
    hunterbeast1 folds
    Pick6man folds
    Borcheto folds
    Bingooooooo69 raises to 22,260, and is all in
    alex-230981 folds

    I'm perceived as TAG, I doubled up with AA about 15 hands back. I hadn't been to active. I actually doubled up off of bingoooo. Do we fold, shove, flat?

    Thanks in advance for the help.
  2. tcdmb36 tcdmb36 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 2:22am) in reply to Pops28

    shove
  3. chrisp200 chrisp200 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 2:29am) in reply to tcdmb36

     
    Originally Posted by tcdmb36 View Post

    shove


    yup
     
  4. Sagacious Man Sagacious Man is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 4:43am) in reply to chrisp200

    Shove / Fold > Flat

    With your image I would usually shove. Flatting 25% with intention to fold to a reraise feels wrong to me.

    It's annoying that there is a bigstacked button to act behind though, it's the only factor that gives some merit to folding. We don't care about the small blind or BB having a hand. Only risk is the button waking up something, but his calling range should be fairly narrow since he stands to lose a lot - QQ+ or AK should be his range to call. These are so unlikely I think its shove pretty much always.
  5. pinishe45 pinishe45 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 5:06am) in reply to Sagacious Man

    blast
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  6. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 2:03pm) in reply to pinishe45

    Thanks for the replies so far. I would like to here some more people give there opinions.

    I too was concerned about the button waking up with a hand. That's what made my decision so tough. Will post results later.
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  7. darkhawk-200 darkhawk-200 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 2:06pm) in reply to Pops28

    flat, no point to iso i think, he's not folding better
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  8. Steve Murkle Steve Murkle is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 3:46pm) in reply to darkhawk-200

     
    Originally Posted by darkhawk-200 View Post

    flat, no point to iso i think, he's not folding better

    flat is fine, call 2 shorties reshoves and reassess button if he shoves
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  9. implicit1 implicit1 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 3:49pm) in reply to Steve Murkle

    shove
  10. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 4:00pm) in reply to implicit1

    flat. fold to seat 1 and seat 2 if they shove. call the rest of the table if they shove.
  11. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 4:27pm) in reply to poisoneye1986

    Darkhawk... Both shoving and folding are out of the question for you? If so please explain why. Thanks
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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 5:47pm) in reply to Pops28

    call
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  13. bob2bob bob2bob is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 5:53pm) in reply to supra1988t

    just don't fold
     
  14. TheSquid TheSquid is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 6:20pm) in reply to bob2bob

    We can never fold as we have shover's ranged crushed. Traditionally people have iso'd in this spot but think trend now is to flat 100% of your range here. The fear was that hands with equity against you (88-1010) get involved in the pot, but realistically this happens v v rarely. You'd flat with aces and kings so flatting AQ looks more scary than reraising.
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  15. Pops28 Pops28 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 7:53pm) in reply to TheSquid

    Thank you for your responses p5'ers.

    Squid I like how you walked me through your thinking of this situation.. I appreciate your input.
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  16. Jackb2705 Jackb2705 is offline

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    Jan 21st, 2011 (1/21/2011 10:44pm) in reply to TheSquid

    flatting is fine here, shows more strength than trying to iso.
    Edited By: Jackb2705 Jan 21st, 2011 at 10:45 PM
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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 4:16am) in reply to TheSquid

     
    Originally Posted by TheSquid View Post

    We can never fold as we have shover's ranged crushed. Traditionally people have iso'd in this spot but think trend now is to flat 100% of your range here. The fear was that hands with equity against you (88-1010) get involved in the pot, but realistically this happens v v rarely. You'd flat with aces and kings so flatting AQ looks more scary than reraising.


    So what r u doing if button shoves?...like you said we r losing a ton of equity vs 88-jj
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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 4:24am) in reply to DrDankRx23

    I don't have a shoving range here. Call.
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  19. silvafan35 silvafan35 is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 4:25am) in reply to TheSquid

     
    Originally Posted by TheSquid View Post

    We can never fold as we have shover's ranged crushed. Traditionally people have iso'd in this spot but think trend now is to flat 100% of your range here. The fear was that hands with equity against you (88-1010) get involved in the pot, but realistically this happens v v rarely. You'd flat with aces and kings so flatting AQ looks more scary than reraising.

    +1 i like this line
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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 5:00am) in reply to silvafan35

    Seems like a good spot to flat the shove for many of the reasons discussed above....we are going to play well vs the shovers' range and it is difficult to see the button re-shoving ott with less than JJ/AK+. I think the fact that you said you had a tight image makes flatting even better in this instance, as the 97k button stack might even have cause to fold those marginal hands (for the situation) like 88/99/1010 behind. So i would say flat and re-evaluate in the unlikely event of a button shove. I mean playing devils advocate if the button does then shove we can spew fold if need be and still have a workable 38-39bb stack. Just seems to me re-shipping when there is only one danger stack behind feels needless in this instance, i'd wager a flat will get us the same amount of information as a shove would, with a chance to get away from a cooler type situation vs the button if it develops....
     
  21. wrckngbll wrckngbll is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 12:43pm) in reply to Picasso 2

    best answer ...

    Bob2Bob...

    JUST DONT FOLD!

    if u flat u must call the RRAI behind (cos u getting much more than 2-1)

    of course if you get another flat behind from the other big stack (button) and whiff you are in a crap spot. therefore i lean towards to shipping... 3 behind but only one that makes a diff.
     
  22. Audiopulse Audiopulse is offline

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    Jan 22nd, 2011 (1/22/2011 7:30pm) in reply to wrckngbll

    shove. if the button wakes up with it gg.
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