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  1. Kenny Rap Kenny Rap is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:30am)

    We've even talked about it before but man it's my 2nd favorite hand ever on TV and I think it deserves another look.

    http://www.4kingpokerblog.com/poker-...own-with-aces/
     
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:36am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    not as good as the jacks full lay down at this years' WSOP. but yes johnny chan, nit sometimes, but makes incredible laydowns none of us would even think about wiht the action that happened. GREAT REPOST, b/c it needs to be shown
     
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:42am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    Head2782 plays that the same way...
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:44am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    I'm sure he put him on a J, def not 66 there.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:49am) in reply to jsmanuel

    I agree with you jsmanuel.

    I STRONGLY disagree this laydown is not as good as the JJ laydown in this years wsop. In that hand, the guy RERAISED pre. For most people, that range is JJ+ and AK. Since the guy had JJ, we are looking at QQ,KK,AA, or AK. Flop is AKJ and the reraiser checks, which IMO puts his range at trapping with AA; KK or trying to impove his QQ. The tun is a Ten and he checks again, and now i think he pretty much has to have AA or KK, as I think a bet with QQ is prudent here. The Ten pairs and he RAISES river. What else could he possibly have? This is after further analysis, and at the time of the hand I could have probably had to call, but I like this Chan hand better.
     
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  6. goofy2485 goofy2485 is offline This thread sucks.

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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:52am) in reply to jsmanuel

    That is crazy stupid. Wow. Just check/fold like his hand was nothing.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:57am) in reply to Kenny Rap

     
    Originally Posted by Kenny Rap View Post

    We've even talked about it before but man it's my 2nd favorite hand ever on TV and I think it deserves another look.

    http://www.4kingpokerblog.com/poker-...own-with-aces/

    I have no idea why, but I always assumed you were Asian, Kenny.

    P.S. Sick laydown, I wonder if he really instamucked like they showed on tv.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:58am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    is this your favorite?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCwOxFmVs4

    pretty sure it's mine.
     
  9. Kenny Rap Kenny Rap is offline

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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 2:59am) in reply to TookURCookie

    Yup that's it cookie. nice read

    not asian tho, that's a misread
     
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 3:25am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    That's pretty sick. Kenny, do you think Chan may call if he were to act after Joe? I know Huck bet into a 3 way pot, but if he doesn't have to worry about getting raised, do you think he considers calling - i.e., do you think Huck could value bet QQ, TT, 99?
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 3:42am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    wow i guess i dont watch enough tv, that ivey hand is awesome. guess it shows that you could get some sick reads live. like i mean huck did look strong and the guy in the ivey hand did look week, but obv thats soooooo fkn easy to say when u get to see the cards lol.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 3:54am) in reply to comandr_cool

    I want to know how folding J's full with that board in the main event is +EV. I thought that even though it turned out to be a great laydown that it was a terrible fold. That hand was so damn donkey it makes me puke. The raise on the river wasnt even that much.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 5:48am) in reply to Kenny Rap

    none of these plays are good they just happened to work out these times

    lol live reads
     
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 8:40am) in reply to AGame18

     
    Originally Posted by AGame18 View Post

    none of these plays are good they just happened to work out these times

    lol live reads

    lol, ok
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 9:02am) in reply to KSCKID

    Ivy hand was SIIIIIIIIIIIICK
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 9:07am) in reply to AGame18

    See thats the problem with online professionals. They play everyhand as if there was only one correct way to play it, and players/situations dont come into the thought process. I used to be a high quanity online mtt player, and now i play a combination of both and have had success in both regards. There is a reason that if you looked at the wsop leaderboard, 8 of the top 10 were household names. thats not because they played more events as you would say, not all of them did, and there were plenty of online professionals who played high quanity also. Anyone who says online poker and live poker arent 2 entirely different games are kidding themselves. You guys might shake your heads now, but there is a such thing as "reads" and a such thing as "tells". Just because it is correct to play a hand one way at one time, doesnt make it correct always. the guys jacks full laydown was standard. At barcelona I saw Chino agonize for 5 minutes before finally calling with Kk on a Ak729 rainbow board. He was certain he was beat....he was, and he kept on going on about how he knows this is a fold but hes just not able to do it. That to me is the reason why so many online players cant transition into live poker, because they try to play the same game when it may or may not be correct, but it certainly isnt optimal. Chans hand to me was probably a correct fold. I think he was setting up for value on river if he was checked to, but knowing huck seed, as he does, hucks near full pot bet on river is rarely ever anything that AA beats. Does that make him exploitable? Sure, but there is nothing wrong with being exploiatable. Iveys hand was against weak competition, thus thats what makes it ok. The bet sizing in the hand was awful, but i think it was ok being Ivey knew he could make the guy lay down. It was the easiest hand in the world to shove for the other guy...w/e. Cardinal rule of poker, the 5th bet is always a bluff,, or else there only woulda been four....
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 9:09am) in reply to juegofacil

    and for all the shit talking about the live professionals, including chan and helmuth, the one thing i can say, is despite blatant mathematical errors,they both read souls and are massively +EV in any live mtt arena
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 9:19am) in reply to juegofacil

     
    Originally Posted by juegofacil View Post

    See thats the problem with online professionals. They play everyhand as if there was only one correct way to play it, and players/situations dont come into the thought process. I used to be a high quanity online mtt player, and now i play a combination of both and have had success in both regards. There is a reason that if you looked at the wsop leaderboard, 8 of the top 10 were household names. thats not because they played more events as you would say, not all of them did, and there were plenty of online professionals who played high quanity also. Anyone who says online poker and live poker arent 2 entirely different games are kidding themselves. You guys might shake your heads now, but there is a such thing as "reads" and a such thing as "tells". Just because it is correct to play a hand one way at one time, doesnt make it correct always. the guys jacks full laydown was standard. At barcelona I saw Chino agonize for 5 minutes before finally calling with Kk on a Ak729 rainbow board. He was certain he was beat....he was, and he kept on going on about how he knows this is a fold but hes just not able to do it. That to me is the reason why so many online players cant transition into live poker, because they try to play the same game when it may or may not be correct, but it certainly isnt optimal. Chans hand to me was probably a correct fold. I think he was setting up for value on river if he was checked to, but knowing huck seed, as he does, hucks near full pot bet on river is rarely ever anything that AA beats. Does that make him exploitable? Sure, but there is nothing wrong with being exploiatable. Iveys hand was against weak competition, thus thats what makes it ok. The bet sizing in the hand was awful, but i think it was ok being Ivey knew he could make the guy lay down. It was the easiest hand in the world to shove for the other guy...w/e. Cardinal rule of poker, the 5th bet is always a bluff,, or else there only woulda been four....

    paragraphs are awesome
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 10:21am) in reply to x walks x

    The one I remember most was the first season of the WPT where Howard Lederer mucked his flopped set of Ks on the flop against a flopped set of As. I would have so gone broke there.
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    Sep 18th, 2008 (9/18/2008 10:30am) in reply to AGame18

     
    Originally Posted by AGame18 View Post

    none of these plays are good they just happened to work out these times

    lol live reads

    Wrong on the Ivey hand.
     
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