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I will be @ your level soon unless I can get staked for the bigger games. But I will continue to grind the same games $60 and below that you do. MTTs arent goin so hot for me right now. a;ldjfa;ldkfja;lkdjf;lj but nice job on the 10K sngs, thats sickkkkk.
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cliff notes of thread:
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Sorry for the slow response, I've been offline for several hours. I'll try to address everything that needs to be cleared up...
To Sokpuppet7: I stand corrected. I remember that you supported me from the very beginning of my run and you always thought that I was a very good SNG player, even when I had only played 2,000 games or so. You are right. There are a couple of pocketfivers (such as yourself) who always thought I was a pretty good player and I should have mentioned that.
To bad grr and others who say I should have moved up by now: I hope that some day I can be so rich that I'll look back at $32,000 in profits and find it "disappointing" like you do, but for right now I need the money and I'm happy to grind out the nickels and dimes. I need to withdraw 3-4K per month to cover my mortgage and other expenses so my bankroll grows pretty slowly. Honestly, if I were sitting on some massive bankroll then of course I'd be trying to compete in the highest stakes where I thought I had an edge. I've had some staking offers but I don't feel comfortable gambling with other people's money. Perhaps that's silly of me, because when you're playing SNG's you're not really gambling and the income is pretty much guaranteed, but nevertheless, I just don't want to do it.
To luckybacon and Maits10: About 20% of my poker time is devoted to cash games, another 10% to MTT's and roughly 70% to SNG's. I have my highest hourly rate playing SNG's but I'm a decent cash player. Honestly, if I devoted more time to cash games I'm pretty certain I could exceed my SNG hourly rate but I can really only deal with cash games in small doses. The hatred most people have for the boredom involved with grinding SNG's pretty much sums up the way I feel about cash games. I just have a strong dislike for them and they put me to sleep.
To brianyut and Cabo: It took me almost a year and a half to play 10,000 SNG's on stars. I started out playing 4 tables at once, then moved to 9 tables, and I currently play 12 tables at once. I expect now that I'm 12-tabling I will reach 20,000 games in another six months or so.
To TMLMS13: I make roughly $37 per hour when I 12-table the $27 turbos. I make just over $20 per hour when I 12-table the $16 turbos. Obviously I should be playing the $27's all the time to increase my hourly wage. However, I have found table selection to be very important and there are fewer "juicy" tables at the $27 level. Also the games do not fire up as fast so I have to wait much longer to get a 12 game session started. Finally, there is considerably less risk involved when playing the $16 games so sometimes I'm willing to settle for less money, particularly when my game isn't as sharp. The $16's are money in the bank, all the time, guaranteed, whereas the $27's can cause massive downswings. Losing more than 1K in a day is not unrealistic at the $27 level, even for the very best of players. So when I'm not in the mood to lose a lot of money or if I don't feel like I'm bringing my A-game the $16's often suit me just fine.
As for the various "spacegravy" references in the thread, I will willingly admit that he's a better player than me. His ROI is certainly lower but he is also capable of playing a ridiculous amount of games simultaneously. He is the best $16 turbo player, no question. However, there are other players near the top of the $16 and $27 leaderboards who I honestly don't believe are as good as me. They play much higher volume and their results are certainly impressive, but if I were as devoted to SNG's as they are I think you'd see me exceed their results pretty easily.
One final note for my various critics and all the people who just don't like me in general: I know that I'm never going to have much success in poker playing low stakes turbos. You don't need to hammer that home for me. Some people need to make 3-5K per month though and I'm one of those people. I know this makes poker seem like a job, but at least for now, at this point in my life, poker does have to be a job. It's not my sole source of income (I also invest in stocks), but it's a steady income stream that I rely on. I am absolutely certain that there is no SAFER way for a decent player to GUARANTEE himself 3-5K per month than by grinding out low stakes SNG's. If you needed the money (which apparently you don't) you would understand that sometimes you have to sacrifice return to minimize risk.
When I first learned about investing in stocks I became interested in the two rules of investing. I think it was Benjamin Graham who originally came up with these rules and then Warren Buffett made them famous.
Rule #1: Never lose money.
Rule #2: Never forget Rule #1.
I take the same approach to poker that I do to investing. I'm proud to say that I've never had a losing month and I never plan to have one in the future. So continue to call me a joke or a disappointment, but what's right for you is not necessarily right for me. The beauty of poker is that we all have different goals that we're trying to meet, and it's simply impolite for you to impose your goals on me. I wish you all continued success as you rake in another 200-300K this year. Obviously I envy your profits, but for now I need to support myself and my fiancee with guaranteed income and take a few shots in the Sunday Million whenever I can. -
nice reply. I just have a hard time running SNGs day in and day out even if I need money. I am starting to get better at it, but usually have to do it blazed. Not trying to stir up shit about drugs/herb but it is the only way I can run set after set of sngs. They are such a grind and MTTs can be so disappointing....Guess I need to use my CR membership and learn cash.
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Alba, incredibly informative and detailed response, ty sir... And I agree, spacegravy is the best ALL TIME at the $16 turbo SnG level. Keep up the good work and congrats sir. -Sok
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I don't think it would be at all unreasonable for someone as good at sng's as yourself to play the $60 turbo's on a short roll- like 25 buy ins. Obviously you could move back down if you don't start out well, but I seriously think that you're good enough to be playing higher stakes. Don't take my earlier comments as an offense, I really just think you're missing out on profit. Try to be a little bit more aggressive with your bankroll management until you find the highest sng level you can beat and from there you will maximize your profit.
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Awesome reply albatross... I take back my "I'm pissed at this thread" comment. Thanks!
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No offense taken bad grr. It's in my personality to be naturally defensive but I know your original comments were not meant to be mean-spirited. I just felt like I needed to offer my perspective to you so you could see where I'm coming from.
As for playing the $60's on a short roll, I'm almost positive that would be bankroll suicide. I doubt you've ever seen me play SNG's, but I have a very strange bubble style which causes me to experience HUGE swings. A few weeks ago I suffered a 47 buy-in downswing at the $16 level! That downswing occurred over two days, so I'm capable of losing a lot of money quite quickly. By the time I decided to "move back down" as you suggest, there would be nothing to move back down with. In fact, since I 12-table, if I only had 25 buy-ins at the $60 level, nearly my entire bankroll could conceivably be wiped out after just two hours of play (yes, I do go 0 for 12 in cashes more often than I'd like to admit).
I would estimate that I could experience up to three times the variance at the $60 level that I do at the $16 level since there are far fewer weak players. I have no mathematical equation to back up that number, it's just a guess based on experience. So, my doomsday downswing at the $60 level would be 150 buy-ins. Therefore, I would feel that I'm not properly rolled for that level without at least 200 buy-ins. I know everyone who plays SNG's will think that's a ridiculously high number, and it probably is, but I'm not willing to find out the hard way that a 100 buy-in bankroll wasn't quite enough to keep me in the game. -
well played albatross
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nice work
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alba, nice milestone
don't listen to what most of these people are telling you, cash games are great, but honestly do what you do best, the hourly rate i make at the 16's is ridiculous and without the swings of cash games. One day soon enough I will likely be playing higher as well, but honestly, I make more at the lower limits than most jobs. And I agree with you that cash games are boring.
I'm not sure about these brag posts you keep making but it probably gets you more action in the long run. LOL
You are actually the one player I avoid in the low limits. So move up already! -
I don't care what anyone says. I like this guy - he has the balls to speak out and the results to back it up.
Nice work. -
congrats on the milestone as well. you own.
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Alba your 'unique' bubble style is why I enjoy reading all your SNG posts. You clearly think outside the box and it is very useful to hear advice other than usual pushbot bubble stuff. Whilst I think your disregarding of ICM is criminal for a mutli tabling SNG player I still respect the fact you can grind these so well.
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You think in your spare time you would be able to whip up a SNG article discussing your style of play i would love to read it.
GL man you sound really promising. -
alba... please stay away from $60 sngs.. not becuase you aren't good enough but because I want them softer while I currently play them :). but seriously... as far as downswings in the 60s.. i've had as big as a 100 buy-in downswing which is bound to happen over 1000s of sngs. you clearly have the skills and experience to succeed at higher levels but whatever works for you works. If you don't feel comfortable moving up then continue owning the games that have made you good money in the past. This has always been my approach to poker and it has worked for me and obviously it is working for you. GL in the future.
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Thanks for the reply, appreciate it. I will be moving to the $16 soon enough so you can feast on me in a while. Once I get a 2k roll I'll be there.
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"The beauty of poker is that we all have different goals that we're trying to meet, and it's simply impolite for you to impose your goals on me"...nicely said...I like your self reliance on your own judgment...Looks like you see things pretty clearly...
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congrats on being able to do it and giving hope that you can win at the low levels.
looking for a student? i'd love to learn how you do it. -
congrats on being able to do it and giving hope that you can win at the low levels.
looking for a student? i'd love to learn how you do it.
^^^lol diddo (wow-seriously i just made the worst post ever) -
ConArtist, whats this "unique" bubble-style then?
Also, if you think its criminal that he doesnt play ICM push/fold, then what is useful about the advice?
Im just wondering because it sounds like youre contradicting yourself. -
I believe he's referring to Alba's willingness to call with any 2 cards as a shortstack against a fellow shortstack.
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have u ever hit an albatross?
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alba i remember playin w/ you... i remember when u used to only like 3 table ahahhaha. keep up the good work and hopefully you'll be able to move up sooner or later (there is no rush; just move up when u are comfortable with it) im sure you've seen more hands than almost everyone that posts on here and that experience will def. be invaluable...... But sngs do tend to get very mechanical esp. towards the end; i know u make a bunch of unorthodox plays but that pretty much just entails callin an allin w/ a marginal hand or shoving light in +ev spots. I just hope that playin sooooo many sngs hasnt crippled you to the point where it will make a transition to cash or other forms of poker very difficult.... Again best of luck to ya Alba!!!!!!!!!!!!! and congrats on the consistant domination.
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lets see, it took you a year and a half, and you have earned 32K, and you're withdrawing 3-4k/ month that means your BR is.........?
:-)
Just stirring the shit. Congrats on your 10k sngs and 16% roi...vnh indeed! -
But your grinding out 72nd places in $11 dollar multis for months on end isn't Paris? Get a clue...Well done Alba.
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