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  1. Hi All--

    Okay...after the 7 weeks of paradise with $2 million in overlays I am having a hammer come down on my head and I now have two choices:

    1) I can completely redo the tournament schedule so that I don't have to lower any guarantees

    2) I can lower some guarantees and keep the tournament schedule as is.

    The fact as that the tourneys are not growing as fast as I thought they would. My mistake of course. But I think the schedule we have is pretty cool and I don't want to completely redo it but I didn say I would not be lowering guarantees so that would be my only way out of that.

    So I am reaching out to the community to get permission, basically. Either leave the schedule as is and lower guarantees (but guarantee the snipers on weekends) or just do a total overhaul (which seems silly to me).

    Okay...so please give me your input here.

    Annie
  2. Satellites?
  3. seems pretty obvious. U know the answer as well. Keep the schedule uve worked so hard on and just lower some guarentees. Gotta build from the ground up you can reraise the guar's later when the site grows more. GL
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  4. I'm thinking public perception is more of a detriment to you than the tourney schedule you came up with, it seemed reasonable when I read it, but shit 2 mill in overlays is a lot for that time period, you're all fucked imo unless you can repair the company's reputation.
  5. ive been so tempted to play on Ub cuz the overlays, good thing I held out, cuz it looks like its all over folks
  6. i could be way wrong here, but wasn't it annie who said "if the guarentees have been lowered, then that means i'm not working for ub any more" or something like that (again i could def be wrong, dont follow p5's too much anymore but i believe i remmeber reading that somewhere) ub is a f'ing joke either way
     
  7. i would love to see the 120 buy in sniper 40k gaurantee stay the same if possible
     
  8. I would switch the times of the 3 major tournies: the 120/20k deepstack, the 120/40k, and the 50r/25k. I would move the 40k into primetime of 8 pm (the same time as the 100r and the FTP 65k), the 50r to 9 pm (same time as the stars 100k), and the 120 deepstack to either 10 pm or 7 pm. I think the volume of all 3 tournaments would increase in doing this. I would also move the 200k on Sunday to 4:30 or 6 PM to go head-to-head with the Sunday Million or 750k.
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  9. Annie

    Only the Captain had to stay on the Titantic.. And the band played on.. You should get off Immediatly.. And women and children get to go on the lifeboats first. Its not your fault about the Stigma that will always be attached to the UB/AP brand name and them signing Bax/Rizen they could sign Mother Theresa will never be able to change it.. A line has been crossed and the companies reputation will be damaged forever.

    AF
  10.  
    Originally Posted by Mkind16 View Post

    I would switch the times of the 3 major tournies: the 120/20k deepstack, the 120/40k, and the 50r/25k. I would move the 40k into primetime of 8 pm (the same time as the 100r and the FTP 65k), the 50r to 9 pm (same time as the stars 100k), and the 120 deepstack to either 10 pm or 7 pm. I think the volume of all 3 tournaments would increase in doing this. I would also move the 200k on Sunday to 4:30 or 6 PM to go head-to-head with the Sunday Million or 750k.

    very good idea...cosign
     
  11.  
    Originally Posted by bdubs3737 View Post

    i could be way wrong here, but wasn't it annie who said "if the guarentees have been lowered, then that means i'm not working for ub any more" or something like that (again i could def be wrong, dont follow p5's too much anymore but i believe i remmeber reading that somewhere) ub is a f'ing joke either way

    That would be the reason for this post. If you look at the original post it says I can either completely redo the tournament or lower the guarantees. Redoing the tournament schedule allows me to keep my word. Lowering the guarantees I need permission for. So I appreciate your snarky comment but if you read the original post you will see that I am already aware of the issue.

    Annie
    Thread Starter
  12.  
    Originally Posted by Mkind16 View Post

    I would switch the times of the 3 major tournies: the 120/20k deepstack, the 120/40k, and the 50r/25k. I would move the 40k into primetime of 8 pm (the same time as the 100r and the FTP 65k), the 50r to 9 pm (same time as the stars 100k), and the 120 deepstack to either 10 pm or 7 pm. I think the volume of all 3 tournaments would increase in doing this. I would also move the 200k on Sunday to 4:30 or 6 PM to go head-to-head with the Sunday Million or 750k.

    The deepstack has been doing very well at 8pm so I don't want to move that. So that leave the sniper and the 50r. It doesn't make sense to have the sniper and deepstack start both at th 8pm hour I don't think so that would just leave putting the 50r at 9 and the sniper at 10pm. I don't think the sniper would do well their and the 50r seems to be acting as a nice lead in to the 50 freezeout at midnight.

    Comments?

    Annie
    Thread Starter
  13. I assume you've already made the possible guarantee adjustments on paper b4 creating this thread to ask our permission.. so hit us with it.. whats it gonna look like?
  14. How about moving the Deepstack to 7 or 7:30pm, the Sniper at 8, and the 50r at 9? I know I normally dont play the rebuy because rebuys take longer and a rebuy starting at 10pm is kinda late, but I def. would play it at 9pm
     
  15. Annie i read your post quickly and i saw this "But I think the schedule we have is pretty cool and I don't want to completely redo it but I "didn" say I would not be lowering guarantees so that would be my only way out of that. so i thought in this post you were saying you "didn't" say taht, but i guess you meant you did.... (or maybe i still got that messed up) either way i understand you now and either way UB is still a crappy site that is KNown for disappointing it's customers and i honestly hope it goes bankrupt because it doesnt deserve to exist....
     
  16. The deepstack was at 7:40 and did not do well there. I am concerned about moving it earlier because of that and the 8 pm time slot has just been really rocking it this week so I just don't want to touch it. I totally get the point about the rebuy at 10 pm but I am kind of shooting that at mountain and pacific time zone players who complain about the the 7 pm slot being way too early. Tough to balance both time zones. The only other play would be to put the sniper and the 50r both at 9 pm but I am really wary of that...

    Ugh...it makes my brain hurt.
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  17. Annie,

    Keeping to your word is a very respectable thing to do as I'm sure we all strive to do this. But, in my opinion, your only obligation is to the company you work for (UB). Your job is to help revamp the tournament selection to increase profits for your employer. Obv, giving away $2M in overlays is not doing this. As much shit as people say on these boards, you owe them nothing and you have a job to do.

    So while I don't have a solution, I urge you think of the best for UB and its players, even if that means going back on your word.
  18. option A - lower guarenetees so they are even less competitive with your competition thus UB loses more customers and money

    option B - keep the guarentees the same and UB will continue paying the overlays which have apparently reached the 2 million mark recently

    I'm OK with either Annie
  19.  
    Originally Posted by The Precedent View Post

    I assume you've already made the possible guarantee adjustments on paper b4 creating this thread to ask our permission.. so hit us with it.. whats it gonna look like?

    Basically the ones that will be lowered would be lowered 25% on average. The deepstack will remain the same as well as about half the tourneys...
    Thread Starter
  20. There is no point having a great tournament schedule if nobody trusts the site or the management team.

    Rebuild the reputation of the site,be open in investigations, get some English speaking customer support reps, stop ringing me up all the time to offer me impossible to clear bonuses etc etc
  21. Guarantees bring players to the tourneys. But obviously not enough, however isnt it likely that if you lower the guarantees then the number of players will be lower as well? In which case youve solved nothing and just turned off more players.
    How bout looking for other ways to being players into the tourneys.
    Ub ran a promotion for certain tourneys where everyone that made the final table got an entry into the 200k. Maybe something like that. Or maybe entry into a special tourney with a 5k pool or something along those lines

    Time you start thinking outside the box to get players in these tourneys or UB will keep losing players.

    BTW is this the reason the 20k omaha hi lo hasnt started yet.
    I like the omaha guarantees but i know they never reach the mark sure would hate to see them go.
  22. A. Guarantee rebuy MTT's and prime-time MTT's.

    B. Offer bigger buyin daily or weekly MTT's.

    C. Organize a mass positive PR campaign at UB, how much better would reimbursing the players and the 7 week 2 mill overlays look after a serious effort to let the online community know that you're taking this issue seriously and what kind of progress you've made on the issue? Rather than not really saying anything at all, which is what I think a lot of the communities problem is with UB.
  23. The Omaha is starting the 28th...PLO8...$150+12 buy-in Saturdays at 3:30 pm. it will have the double stack feature.
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  24. FWIW, I used to really like that "make a FT on a saturday and get free entry into the 200k" promotion. I used to play strictly on UB.......now I just think what's the point? All they seem to offer is their appealing software, there is no real prizepool's and more importantly, there is no security. I'm curious to know whether that 2M in overlays includes all the refunds cheated players got and/or Hellmuth's latest paycheck. UB is in serious trouble, while stars and FTP just keep moving forward and forward.......whether it be security measures(i.e bot checks) or juicy knew tournies.
     
  25. I don't play at UB for several reasons. Obviously, the scandals are a big reason. But I might consider playing there if the customer service wasn't so slow. This has to improve. No one should have to wait days for a response to emails. And get with the times and fix the bonus structure. Its great that UB has reload bonuses but whats the point if its impossible to clear them. Things like that drive traffic. I don't care what the tourney schedule is if the management can't get the simplest things right.

    Under
  26.  
    Originally Posted by annie duke View Post

     
    Originally Posted by Mkind16 View Post

    I would switch the times of the 3 major tournies: the 120/20k deepstack, the 120/40k, and the 50r/25k. I would move the 40k into primetime of 8 pm (the same time as the 100r and the FTP 65k), the 50r to 9 pm (same time as the stars 100k), and the 120 deepstack to either 10 pm or 7 pm. I think the volume of all 3 tournaments would increase in doing this. I would also move the 200k on Sunday to 4:30 or 6 PM to go head-to-head with the Sunday Million or 750k.

    The deepstack has been doing very well at 8pm so I don't want to move that. So that leave the sniper and the 50r. It doesn't make sense to have the sniper and deepstack start both at th 8pm hour I don't think so that would just leave putting the 50r at 9 and the sniper at 10pm. I don't think the sniper would do well their and the 50r seems to be acting as a nice lead in to the 50 freezeout at midnight.

    Comments?

    Annie

    The deepstack has done well there but the 40k is the source of the bigger overlays right now and it's the biggest tourney you've got. 8 pm is primetime for online poker. That's the time slot that gets the most traffic. So it only makes sense to put your biggest tournament there.
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  27. Maybe just switch the deepstack and the sniper? I am concerned that 5pm is too early for west coast though....
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  28. Annie I appreciate the work you have done for UB and especially the changes for the small ball player.

    The $10 10k must be hurting a lot in the overlay department making that a 6 or 7k wouldnt put a dent in people playing it.

    The $1 t/r is hitting nearly 4k and the guarantee is 5k

    The $5 rebuy is getting close but likely should have an 8k guarantee

    Switching up the bounties to be a little less puts more into the prizepool which I believe has been done with the 12:20 it was $2 bounty now $1

    I'm sorry i dont play the bigger guarantees so I dont have any input there.
  29. if the 40k sniper goes away high buyin players will not play on your site outside of sundays anymore

    just fyi
     
  30. Annie, when you said "if the guarantees are lowered, then that means I am no longer working for UB", (or whatever you said), I think what you were implying is that you wouldn't allow the management to push you around and force this on your new schedule, and you would quit your job if they made you lower them.

    Way to stick to your guns.

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