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I've never cashed in a $20 180 man

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  1. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:32pm)

    I can win WSOP seats, rebuys, whatever... but I've never cashed in a $20 180 man in about 50 played.

    This will change tonight, I will be playing them until I am broke or until I f'ng cash in one. I'm so sick of sucking in these.

    Jump in if you want... I will keep everyone progressed on my -100% ROI in these tournaments.

    Any advice on wtf I'm doing wrong?
     
  2. Octan3_ipwnsippin Octan3_ipwnsippin is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:35pm) in reply to Wein

    transfer me 22$, and ill chip dump to you. that will def break your -100% ROI.

    unless you dont cash, then wouldnt it be >-100% ROI?
  3. jhendricks09 jhendricks09 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:35pm) in reply to Wein

    you probably havent done anything wrong man. Those 180 man 20s on PS are the hardest tournies to cash in. pokerstars is the only site im not up a significant amount of money and its all because i have blown off a bunch of money in those 20's
  4. Wein Wein is offline Sunday Millionaire

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:37pm) in reply to jhendricks09

    see I've absolutely killed the $4 on there when I played them back when... And I've heard there's absolutely zero difference between them.

    Stars has been my home site and although I've done extremely well on other sites, I just love my pokerstars. I just can't do well in these particular tournaments.
     
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  5. Diggity D Diggity D is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:37pm) in reply to jhendricks09

    Im not sure what your talking about hendricks cause the $20 180 mans on stars are straight cake.
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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 5:41pm) in reply to Diggity D

    Never EVER bluff. Don't play big pots unless you've got a pretty nut hand. Anytime I try to build chips early I just crash and burn and usually finish in the 40s trying to resteal on some idiot with A4o
  7. Rhoof Rhoof is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 8:15pm) in reply to Wein

    You really can almost fold you way to getting close to the money. Just play really really tight until the ante's kick in.
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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 8:31pm) in reply to Wein

    This is exactly what happened to me. Pwn 4's suck in 20's. Wish it was the other way around.
     
  9. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:10pm) in reply to Wein

    That is sick you havent cashed in one of these, When I the worst player on the site has a 5th place finish in one of these on my resume..
  10. brian622 brian622 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:17pm) in reply to Wein

    Nah Fink, I'm the worst... but I took down 2nd for a $850 chop on one of these back on April 20th. It was a good 4:20 this year...

    Sadly, that's my biggest score, but that's gonna change when I win the FTP 8K tonight!
  11. tarbash tarbash is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:34pm) in reply to Wein

    i won like 3 or 4 of them now and have cashed in a bunch, u really just gotta play super tight for most of it and build a stack and just try and not get involved unless u need to, its pretty much playing abc poker untilt he bubble and at that point if u can get lucky once, win a race, or have ur hand hold up once u'll be good, gl
  12. ClaYPooL ClaYPooL is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:46pm) in reply to Wein

    I've made two final tables this week. (6th both times, but that's another story) 20/180's are incredibly soft especially around the bubble, where if you stay agressive you can gain a ton of chips from people just trying to fold to the final 18.
  13. ZeeDustin ZeeDustin is offline Jay Bilas of Golf

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:48pm) in reply to ClaYPooL

    Folding to cash is the only way to go.
  14. str8frush str8frush is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 10:50pm) in reply to Wein

    play these extremely TAG early on until down to 80 or so, then you will cash in many of these
  15. alwaysdrowning alwaysdrowning is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:11pm) in reply to str8frush

    It is ridiculously easy to pwn these if you have a big stack with 30 left. People are so scared of the bubble its piss your pants funny.

    I have like a 67% ROI over 300+ of them, they aren't hard to pwn, there are at least 10 people I can name off the top of my head who crush these easily.
  16. ZeeDustin ZeeDustin is offline Jay Bilas of Golf

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:13pm) in reply to alwaysdrowning

    Is this counting yourself?
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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:16pm) in reply to Wein

    lol my friends and I call these "the cursed tourneys". I do well in MTTs, but I wish I had the money back i've spent in these. F the 180 man $22 tourneys.
  18. ronjon13 ronjon13 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:16pm) in reply to alwaysdrowning

    are you sure about that?
    <TABLE class=sortTable id=t1 borderColor=black border=1><TBODY id=tablerows><TR class=sortTable id="phidelt149#pokerstars& E><TD class=sortTable align=middle><A onclick="addgraph('phidelt149#pokerstars& E>=180 S>=20')" href="http://www.sharkscope.com/index.jsp#">phidelt149</A><INPUT onclick=showpreferences(); type=image height=20 width=40 src="http://www.sharkscope.com/images/shark.gif"></TD><TD class=sortTable align=middle>214</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Profit is the Average Profit Per Game after rake has been subtracted." align=right>$10 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. Stake is the average tournament buy-in amount." align=right>$20 </TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Av. ROI is the Average of each game's Return On Investment. It is the average of each (Payout-(Stake+Rake))/(Stake+Rake). This is not the same as total ROI which is (Total Payouts-(Total Rake+Total Stakes))/(Total Stakes+Total Rake)." align=middle>47%</TD><TD class=sortTable title="The Total Profit is the net profit for this player (and includes rake)." align=right>$2,207</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
  19. dandickau dandickau is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:23pm) in reply to Wein

    Sweet, someone else sucks as much at these as I do! I've played about 20 of them and I've never cashed. I usually go completely card dead, get sucked out or coolered in these, and I don't even usually make it to the bubble. Sharkscope says my stars ROI is like 30%, but at the $20 level it's -100000000%. It's crazy.

    I don't think I'm doing anything wrong though, so you probably aren't either. I remember one time I was multi-tabling SNGs and I finished 2nd 10 straight times where I was heads up; I thought I must be playing wrong. Then all of a sudden I won 9 straight times when heads up.

    The V word is a bitch sometimes. Let me know when you finally cash...gl. Wein owns.
  20. notashark notashark is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:26pm) in reply to dandickau

    uhh you dont really ahve to play TAG to be succesful. i play anything but TAG.
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  21. ZeeDustin ZeeDustin is offline Jay Bilas of Golf

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:29pm) in reply to notashark

    ^ true I do ok in these and Ive been known to play a little lag.
  22. blance23 blance23 is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:39pm) in reply to ZeeDustin

    you are thinking of going pro, yet you are 0 for 50 cashing in the $20 180 mans? those tourneys are ridiculously easy.
  23. alwaysdrowning alwaysdrowning is offline

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    Oct 12th, 2006 (10/12/2006 11:44pm) in reply to blance23

    Those #s are incorrect ronjon... I got mine from stars, and I maintain a personal Excel spreadsheet. Be more than happy to email it to anyone.

    Although those #s are still better than ZeeDustin's LOL. :)
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