Since they are both so darned young this race could go on for another 40 years.
Do you think Helmuth is secretly trolling Cardrunners for non=hold em training?
Will he start riding the WSOP Circuit to collect rings to back up his "I am the Greatest" claims?
Now that there are well over 50 bracelets awarded every year it is very possible they each could end up with 50 each. What is your over/under on the first one to hit 50?
Will Helmuth explode by then?
Will Ivey have to be dragged/wheeled out of Bobby's room at 79 to defend his title?

Seriously, It has to be driving Helmuth insane losing his "Youngest" title last year. Now here comes Ivey and a crap load of other mulitple bracelet winners nipping at his heels. When will he declare "Mission Accomplished" and semi-retire?

lol its not even close.

Hellmuth has been playing the WSOP consistantly since 1988. Ivey since 2000. Hellmuth has 11 bracelets and Ivey has 7. I'm sure that Hellmuth has played way more WSOP events than ivey since 2000 as well.

 

Originally Posted by Popperhead

in the next five years hellmuth might win one ivey 4-6 after that its hellmuth in iveys rear view mirror

This is assuming people in the poker world still have enough money to motivate Phil Ivey to play the WSOP, the time might be near where even a couple million in bracelet bets won't be enough to motivate Phil.

Ivey will have the most bracelets as long as he is still motivated within 5 years easily. Let's face it, it is much easier for a world class player to win a non NLH tourney that has 1/5 the players than a NLH tourney. Unless Hellmuth magically starts crushing non-holdem tourneys Ivey will pass all of them soon.

Ivey will pass Phil H. in <5 years if he is motivated to play tournaments. Ivey doesn't stay motivated to play tournaments on a consistent basis, but as long as hellmuth doesn't go on a heater it will happen soon enough. Even if he does, hellmuth will just say "I have more bracelets in hold em than anyone else"

Whats up RGC? Ivey will pass Helmuth and leave him in his dust within 5-10 years no doubt.

Helmuth is too delusional to advance with the game IMO and he will not be able to sustain the same kind of win rate long term.

Ivey is ALWAYS ahead of the game and @ the pinnacle and he will stay there for a long time if he wants too. As long as they allow side bets he will play coz the prizes don't motivate him enough. Word has it the may ban side bets @ the WSOP and if so this could put a wrench in things for him.

All that being said there is no question in my mind some wiz kids are going to come along that will be even bettter then Ivey long term. Some of them are already playing no doubt. The tougher part for them is the field sizes will only continue to increase and this disadvantages them.

 

Originally Posted by J_BOYZZ

lol@ first to 50

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

 

Originally Posted by TonyBlaze

Word has it the may ban side bets @ the WSOP and if so this could put a wrench in things for him.

sigh . . . forgot that everyone books their side bets through Harrahs*

So how do they plan on enforcing this?

Ya LMAO how in the hell are they going to ban side bets?

 

Originally Posted by dtools22

Ivey needs to win a WSOP Holdem bracelet before I will even entertain the thought that he will win 6 bracelets in the next 5 years while Hellmuth only wins one.

Fun facts for everyone.

Coming into the WSOP this year Hellmuth had the most WSOP Bracelets with 4 during the poker boom, Ivey had 1 coming in. Even with the 2 he has this year, Hellmuth still has him beat in the last 6 years.

Phil Ivey has never won a WSOP Holdem Bracelet while all Hellmuth's bracelets are in HE, bar far the most popular game at the WSOP.

You couldn't drag Ivey into grinding the $1500 and $3000 buy in MTTs because he would much rather grind it out in Bobby's room, Hellmuth's wins are all in smaller buy in events with the larger fields.

Much like people say it's only a matter of time before Ivey wins a HE bracelet (maybe even 4 months) Hellmuth has been very close in Non-holdem events as well and it's not going to be long before he breaks through and gets a non HE win.

Bottom line, the legend of Phil Ivey > the reality of Phil Ivey. He is 100% one of the top 5 poker players in the world and Hellmuth is not even close to that in terms of overall skills (MTT, Cashgame, non-holdem games, etc), however Hellmuth is more likely to win a bracelet year in and year out than Ivey is

Pretty spot on. Also, it's hard to call 11 to 7 a race just yet. I think Ivey will one day have the most if he actually keeps playing the series, but it won't be anytime soon. It doesn't matter anyways. Pretty safe to say the vast majority of people who know anything about poker consider Ivey better. I'm pretty sure this is what he cares about the most (2nd to money) as opposed to the number of actual bracelets he has...which is all Hellmuth cares about.