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JJ with 11 left in 10k gtd (early antes) on full tilt

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  1. FrankDaFish FrankDaFish is online now

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:14am)

    At the start of the hand I was chip leader i believe with avg chip stack being somewhere around 250-300k. Tables been playing tight and no one is raising speculative hands. I was the most aggro player at my table and the guy who reraised my JJ d has done very little reraising pre. whats your move? shove or fold?



    Full Tilt Poker Game #26816086175: $10,000 Guarantee (Early Antes) (207947949), Table 50 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:33:10 ET - 2010/12/29
    Seat 1: Heuser99 (250,985)
    Seat 2: Luckypunk4 (459,912)
    Seat 3: Erlingthaman (277,207)
    Seat 6: seto888 (554,113)
    Seat 7: C-UR-FACE (167,297)
    Seat 8: FrankDaFish (629,458)
    Heuser99 antes 2,000
    Luckypunk4 antes 2,000
    Erlingthaman antes 2,000
    seto888 antes 2,000
    C-UR-FACE antes 2,000
    FrankDaFish antes 2,000
    seto888 posts the small blind of 8,000
    C-UR-FACE posts the big blind of 16,000
    The button is in seat #3
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to FrankDaFish [Jd Jh]
    FrankDaFish raises to 37,500
    Heuser99 folds
    Luckypunk4 folds
    Erlingthaman folds
    seto888 has 15 seconds left to act
    seto888 raises to 160,000
    C-UR-FACE folds
    FrankDaFish has 15 seconds left to act
    FrankDaFish has requested TIME
    FrankDaFish ??????
  2. poisoneye1986 poisoneye1986 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:20am) in reply to FrankDaFish

    puke fold. doubt he is 4xing you light here and probably always calls. he doesnt want to play post and has scared Aces or something in his range a lot here. as well as JJ+ and AK too tho
    Edited By: poisoneye1986 Dec 30th, 2010 at 05:21 AM
  3. TrueMetalMan TrueMetalMan is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:34am) in reply to poisoneye1986

    So much stealing going on here with the ft bubble approaching. Big decision. I prolly 5b shove and run into ak and never win the race... Really a feel spot imo. I don't know if he would bet so hard with aa or kk. With a hand like that you want a 5b shove and you want to induce it by a bet around lets say like 75-85k .

    So this is a fishy spot. How did it turn out? qq could posibly bet that way and I think tt-qq and ak,aq...

    Hope this helps.
  4. Trav04 Trav04 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:38am) in reply to TrueMetalMan

    I think his 3 bet sizing rapes imo.
    If you built your stack by being aggressive and winning a lot of pots aggression I get it in here.

    Otherwise i just sigh and fold
  5. yoonaSNSDjess yoonaSNSDjess is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 7:07am) in reply to Trav04

    i fold my wat to the FT, open shove AA, but thats just me,

    can we find a flat here? or is folding the best option,

    ivey folded JJ i think at the FT in the main event
    Edited By: yoonaSNSDjess Dec 30th, 2010 at 07:07 AM
  6. wykrecony69 wykrecony69 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 9:24am) in reply to yoonaSNSDjess

    FLAT < TURNING OFF YOUR PC < 4B < FOLD
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  7. rainmanrcp rainmanrcp is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 9:48am) in reply to wykrecony69

    Pretty sick because of his sizing but I will be extremely surprised if he shows up with QQ-AA here but just given that AK/AQ is the worst hand hes doing this with (doubt he has <TT) its probably an icm fold. Although, I'm pretty careless and I just spite jam on him to win da flipski.
  8. rayfox111 rayfox111 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 12:56pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

    Fold for me.
    Going off your read of him, his range is prob TT+ AKo AKs.
    JJ v his range = 40%

    You could argue that range is a might tight, making it nearer 50/50?
    But I dont see him folding, and I would be more inclined to gambol if he had 350k less chips.
  9. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 1:38pm) in reply to rayfox111

    it's a fold. It sure looks like he isn't going to fold this hand, and if you are saying that the entire table is tight and you are the most aggressive, keep stealing blinds and antes. No need to get it in here, there are better ways to accumulate chips.
     
  10. boneman27 boneman27 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 2:23pm) in reply to wykrecony69

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp

    Pretty sick because of his sizing but I will be extremely surprised if he shows up with QQ-AA here but just given that AK/AQ is the worst hand hes doing this with (doubt he has <TT) its probably an icm fold. Although, I'm pretty careless and I just spite jam on him to win da flipski.

    +1
    Edited By: boneman27 Dec 30th, 2010 at 02:25 PM
     
  11. Charlamaigne Charlamaigne is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:11pm) in reply to boneman27

    6-handed in this spot Im 4 betting to 379,999 and calling shove.
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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:28pm) in reply to Charlamaigne

    Get it in like the Jersey Shore.
  13. JokersOnYou JokersOnYou is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 5:31pm) in reply to rainmanrcp

     
    Originally Posted by rainmanrcp View Post

    Pretty sick because of his sizing but I will be extremely surprised if he shows up with QQ-AA here but just given that AK/AQ is the worst hand hes doing this with (doubt he has <TT) its probably an icm fold. Although, I'm pretty careless and I just spite jam on him to win da flipski.

    So your range includes just AK and AQ.....and you say its an ICM fold?
     
  14. FrankDaFish FrankDaFish is online now

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 10:09pm) in reply to JokersOnYou

    alot of you had some spot on analysis of this hand.... I timebanked to one second then called and lost a flip to AK. My first instinct was to fold but then I thought he never would have AA or KK so the only hand I saw beating me was QQ. In retrospect a fold would have been better since its really not a spot that he would normally have 1010 or 99 and I was chipping up stealing blinds so really a fold would have been better.
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  15. bluejeep85 bluejeep85 is offline

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    Dec 30th, 2010 (12/30/2010 10:42pm) in reply to FrankDaFish

    Pretty big overraise so looks like he just wants to get the hand over with pre. Not sure if he'll play for stacks but if you're willing to flip I'm almost always putting him on AK/AQ
     
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