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JJ 34bbs OOP facing CO 3b + BTN cold 4b shove 23bbs

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  1. BscHons BscHons is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2012 (7/7/2012 4:29pm)

    I have been active in the last orbit, but I haven't done anything too crazy so my image is ok.
    Arsenal = 10/10 10hs
    Lucky = 10/10 10hs also

    I don't give Aresenal's LP 3b too much credit given that I have been active and he can certainly 3b me wide from the CO here. Lucky is not 4b shoving here too wide, but we need 39% equity:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 52.926% 52.07% 00.86% 390485988 6456606.00 { JJ }
    Hand 1: 47.074% 46.21% 00.86% 346589952 6456606.00 { 88+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }


    VS more conservative range...

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 44.196% 42.93% 01.27% 198463956 5865834.00 { JJ }
    Hand 1: 55.804% 54.53% 01.27% 252126456 5865834.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }

    Based on the above, I think it's a pretty easy re-shove, and we just say 'GG' if Arsenal/Lucky has us beat.

    Thoughts on my ranging here?


    pokerstars Hand #82935574311: Tournament #580638545, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (60/120) - 2012/07/06 16:30:06 WET [2012/07/06 11:30:06 ET]
    Table '580638545 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: ARSENALGUNNA (6011 in chips)
    Seat 2: Lucky Nadja (2801 in chips)
    Seat 3: Igrok222 (2305 in chips)
    Seat 4: Kinneging (2448 in chips)
    Seat 5: V-MAX250hpdi (6217 in chips)
    Seat 6: Strongjs (2405 in chips)
    Seat 7: kombabakh (9824 in chips)
    Seat 8: Mércurial (4057 in chips)
    Seat 9: Lee-dragon88 (4210 in chips)
    ARSENALGUNNA: posts the ante 15
    Lucky Nadja: posts the ante 15
    Igrok222: posts the ante 15
    Kinneging: posts the ante 15
    V-MAX250hpdi: posts the ante 15
    Strongjs: posts the ante 15
    kombabakh: posts the ante 15
    Mércurial: posts the ante 15
    Lee-dragon88: posts the ante 15
    Igrok222: posts small blind 60
    Kinneging: posts big blind 120
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mércurial [Jh Jd]
    V-MAX250hpdi: folds
    Strongjs is disconnected
    Strongjs has timed out while disconnected
    Strongjs: folds
    Strongjs is sitting out
    kombabakh: folds
    Mércurial: raises 125 to 245
    Lee-dragon88: folds
    ARSENALGUNNA: raises 415 to 660
    Lucky Nadja: raises 2126 to 2786 and is all-in
    Igrok222: folds
    Kinneging: folds
    Mércurial...
  2. bazingaking bazingaking is offline

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    Jul 7th, 2012 (7/7/2012 6:01pm) in reply to BscHons

    It really depends on how much emphasis you put on your image. I don't think your image is so loose that your UTG+1 open has been 3-betted that light or 4-betted light. I think you are giving your opponents too little credit, and I would fold the JJ here.
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    Jul 7th, 2012 (7/7/2012 6:19pm) in reply to bazingaking

    Get it in. if your GG then sign up for the next mtt. You cant only justify the numbers you said for yourself your image isnt to bad. if he's lucky then great!
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    Jul 7th, 2012 (7/7/2012 11:14pm) in reply to bazingaking

     
    Originally Posted by bazingaking View Post

    It really depends on how much emphasis you put on your image. I don't think your image is so loose that your UTG+1 open has been 3-betted that light or 4-betted light. I think you are giving your opponents too little credit, and I would fold the JJ here.

    I'm not UTG+1. Also, do you really think the BTN only shoves QQ+, AK? What do you think he is doing with 99/TT/AQs?
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    Jul 8th, 2012 (7/8/2012 10:07am) in reply to BscHons

     
    Originally Posted by BscHons View Post

    I'm not UTG+1. Also, do you really think the BTN only shoves QQ+, AK? What do you think he is doing with 99/TT/AQs?

    Well that hurt, just my opinion.

    My misread about position sorry, if your pushing me I'd say Lucky might be shoving with JJ+, AK/AQ+.
    99 and TT look a lot weaker when you see an open and a re-raise in front of you.

    I still don't understand in your OP:
    "I have been active in the last orbit, but I haven't done anything too crazy so my image is ok."

    "I don't give Arsenal's LP 3b too much credit given that I have been active"

    If your image is alright, then give Arsenal's 3-bet some more credit. In your OP and response, you completely discount Arsenal's range as being possible to ever beat you.

    Also, you say you need 39% equity, however we don't know how Arsenal will act, so i think it is wrong to place too much emphasis on pot equity since we don't know if we will be three handed all in or not. If Arsenal does shove, although we will have better pot odds, he will probably have us beat.
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    Jul 8th, 2012 (7/8/2012 10:52am) in reply to bazingaking

    With only 245 invested im getting out of the way here. I think youre beat by one of them quite often.
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    Jul 8th, 2012 (7/8/2012 12:25pm) in reply to IMLegend

    easy fold no way ur good here. id like to find a better spot to get my shit in then hoping im fliping at best.
     
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    Jul 8th, 2012 (7/8/2012 11:24pm) in reply to bazingaking

     
    Originally Posted by bazingaking View Post

    Well that hurt, just my opinion.

    My misread about position sorry, if your pushing me I'd say Lucky might be shoving with JJ+, AK/AQ+.
    99 and TT look a lot weaker when you see an open and a re-raise in front of you.

    I still don't understand in your OP:
    "I have been active in the last orbit, but I haven't done anything too crazy so my image is ok."

    "I don't give Arsenal's LP 3b too much credit given that I have been active"

    If your image is alright, then give Arsenal's 3-bet some more credit. In your OP and response, you completely discount Arsenal's range as being possible to ever beat you.

    Also, you say you need 39% equity, however we don't know how Arsenal will act, so i think it is wrong to place too much emphasis on pot equity since we don't know if we will be three handed all in or not. If Arsenal does shove, although we will have better pot odds, he will probably have us beat.


    Apologies - I was in a shitty mood at the time. You make some good points regarding my post. I simply meant that I had been active, and therefore we could open arsenal's range a little bit. Also, regarding 39% - you are completely right. My action is not the last, so this isn't actually what we may need.

    Haven't encountered a spot like this too many times. I just gave them too little credit, because generally I give them too much! There's not really any dynamics here to be confident that our perceived range is wide when we open. Arsenal had not 3bet me before. Lucky had not been active. For whatever reason, I felt that their ranges were wider than they actually are.

    As razor says, we are flipping at best, and therefore often dominated - often by Lucky (had QQ) and sometimes Arsenal (AA). I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't being results oriented, but I've learned another lesson here. Thanks everyone.
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    Jul 9th, 2012 (7/9/2012 9:23am) in reply to BscHons

    No problem, its always nice to see your name in the PD forum because your posts always make me think and I can rely on you posting a couple of HHs a week, which is great to see someone actively trying to improve their game and as your post shows, change your mind about the way to play a hand. Until next time... ;)
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