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JJ in the BB early in $16 (6max)

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  1. pupkevicius pupkevicius is offline

    Dartford
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    Nov 11th, 2011 (11/11/2011 8:43pm)

    Playing JJ in the BB this deep is always tricky, especially when it flops 8 high

    How could I have played this differently, or is it a cooler?? (no reads on opponent)

    pokerstars Game #70390908664: Tournament #464341707, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (40/80) - 2011/11/11 15:33:11 ET
    Table '464341707 10' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: djedi21 (4948 in chips)
    Seat 2: m11a (2275 in chips)
    Seat 3: star9255 (3554 in chips)
    Seat 4: pupkevicius1 (4325 in chips)
    Seat 5: Ru1990 (4140 in chips)
    Seat 6: MartyPartyy (1883 in chips)
    star9255: posts small blind 40
    pupkevicius1: posts big blind 80
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to pupkevicius1 [Js Jc]
    Ru1990: folds
    MartyPartyy: folds
    djedi21: raises 120 to 200
    m11a: folds
    star9255: folds
    pupkevicius1: calls 120
    *** FLOP *** [5s 8s 3c]
    pupkevicius1: checks
    djedi21: bets 240
    pupkevicius1: raises 480 to 720
    djedi21: calls 480
    *** TURN *** [5s 8s 3c] [2h]
    pupkevicius1: bets 999
    djedi21: raises 3029 to 4028 and is all-in
    pupkevicius1: calls 2406 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (623) returned to djedi21
    *** RIVER *** [5s 8s 3c 2h] [Jd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    pupkevicius1: shows [Js Jc] (three of a kind, Jacks)
    djedi21: shows [8c 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
    pupkevicius1 collected 8690 from pot
    pupkevicius1 said, "lol"
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 8690 | Rake 0
    Board [5s 8s 3c 2h Jd]
    Seat 1: djedi21 showed [8c 8d] and lost with three of a kind, Eights
    Seat 2: m11a (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: star9255 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: pupkevicius1 (big blind) showed [Js Jc] and won (8690) with three of a kind, Jacks
    Seat 5: Ru1990 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: MartyPartyy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  2. daughton daughton is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2011 (11/12/2011 3:59am) in reply to Im Glad fa Dat

    I think there is so much wrong with this hand.

    Why are you calling out of position with a mid pair? Presumably it's for one of 2 reasons:

    1) You don't want to waste chips by raising and being called only to face an overcard on the flop and being bet into

    2) You think they are light and you don't want to raise in case a flop comes without an overcard and you figure that you can raise their CB.

    This is the cut off raising a 6 handed table... Isn't that standard? WTF are you doing making your life difficult calling out of position with JJ for?

    You must 3B here to about 800.

    If they call then they probably do not have a better hand than you unless it's QQ/KK/Ak, although AK might 4b shove on you, but they are narrow holdings and at least you have the beginings of some idea where you are. But if you only call then you let all sorts in and you have no idea where you're at, like you, in this hand.

    Would you call an out of position pre flop re raise to a fifth of your stack with 88? Maybe?... but if you do raise and if they call then you have to think... with what, must be something? Then when he checks (which he will with trips) and you bet the flop with your overs to the tune of 1500 and he just calls you know to slow down and that they have more than the flop and hopefully you don't go bust or at least get to showdown.

    Your play lets you know nothing about your opponants strength and causes you to stack off out of position without any idea of if you're worth a showdown. You have to try to find this out long before showdown...

    You may still lose chips but you won't be broke and 88 may just decide a re-raise for a fifth of their stack pre flop isn't worth a flop. Probably not but either way you have a chance of a win or an escape however it turns out.

    As played you gave yourself no chance to avoid busting.
    Edited By: daughton Nov 12th, 2011 at 03:59 AM
  3. MakeMeMaster MakeMeMaster is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2011 (11/12/2011 4:26am) in reply to daughton

    I have to say after reading daugton's post with an open mind I feel like I've changed my mind about this hand. Calling seems meh since we have to play a fairly strong pair oop which is really hard to do since there is no way to know where we are in the hand. 3-betting to 800 is great. We get all the lower pairs that could hit a set versus us to fold hopefully and all the weak Kx, Qx and Ax hands that could hit an over card on us if we just call.

    Then if he reraises all in over our 800 3bet we can surely make the call since his range consists of AK mostly since I think he would trap AA and KK with a smooth call of the 800 preflop. He might also shove TT and AQ so we are flipping versus his range.

    So 3-betting to 800 even bigger like 950 is the right play here without a doubt. You get the hands that might suckout on you on later streets to fold and you have a way better idea where u are in the hand.
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