Villain is very fishy, limps UTG, 3x PF. Never saw him 4.x x'en PF.. So no idea what to make of it...

Full Tilt Poker Game #22856684489: $17,500 KO Guarantee (176338801), Table 20 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:50:16 ET - 2010/08/05
Seat 1: ChilliChips (47,376)
Seat 2: Esther Rossi (229,344)
Seat 3: BigDaddyKing (29,517)
Seat 4: tyszanin71 (89,002)
Seat 5: Enzo2005 (122,125)
Seat 6: rh300487 (220,385)
Seat 7: nickduke5 (91,882)
Seat 9: MAXSHARK (163,369)
ChilliChips antes 500
Esther Rossi antes 500
BigDaddyKing antes 500
tyszanin71 antes 500
Enzo2005 antes 500
rh300487 antes 500
nickduke5 antes 500
MAXSHARK antes 500
nickduke5 posts the small blind of 2,000
MAXSHARK posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rh300487 [Jh Jd]
ChilliChips folds
Esther Rossi folds
BigDaddyKing folds
tyszanin71 folds
Enzo2005 raises to 18,000
rh300487 has 15 seconds left to act
rh300487 has requested TIME

What's our plan here? What is our range for shoving? What is our range for calling? How de we view his range??

to add: This is the final table...
pay-outs:
1. 4,5K
2. 2,9K
3. 2,1K
4. 1,6K
5. 1,2K
6. 910
7. 591
8. 455
9. 364

i 3 bet

I doubt he's folding, I prob make it 42k and try to win vs AK.

You have him almost doubled in chips. Perfect time to take a flip imo. Like every1 said before me, 3 bet this all day!!!

Edit: One thing about that bet sizing. I was very very deep in 27.50 a month or 2 ago w/ 100k stack and had AJd in BB. Button was 2.5-3x entire time we were playing together and i was mixing it up well vs him with my 3 bets, folds, and something i sometimes do just flat, c/r flop. <----- (DONKEY!!) Anyway I have the "parking lot" suited in the BB and he 6x's it lolzzz. I just thought he didnt wanna be outplayed again and i overshoved my stack in. I had him covered by like 5bb's if i remember correctly lol. Well he obv had KK and owned me w/ his bet sizing. Not that im saying enzo2005 has a monster here, but sometimes a thinking player can take it up a few levels with the bet sizing ive realized.

seems like a std 3b/c, but i guess it could get gay if maxshark cold 4balls

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.816% 48.85% 00.96% 316194324 6243024.00 { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 50.184% 49.22% 00.96% 318570540 6243024.00 { JJ }

flip unless you think he might possibly open lighter than this. Also didn't factor in the amt of time he misclicks this amt preflop :)

Full Tilt Poker Game #22856684489: $17,500 KO Guarantee (176338801), Table 20 - 2000/4000 Ante 500 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:50:16 ET - 2010/08/05
Seat 1: ChilliChips (47,376)
Seat 2: Esther Rossi (229,344)
Seat 3: BigDaddyKing (29,517)
Seat 4: tyszanin71 (89,002)
Seat 5: Enzo2005 (122,125)
Seat 6: rh300487 (220,385)
Seat 7: nickduke5 (91,882)
Seat 9: MAXSHARK (163,369)
ChilliChips antes 500
Esther Rossi antes 500
BigDaddyKing antes 500
tyszanin71 antes 500
Enzo2005 antes 500
rh300487 antes 500
nickduke5 antes 500
MAXSHARK antes 500
nickduke5 posts the small blind of 2,000
MAXSHARK posts the big blind of 4,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rh300487 [Jh Jd]
ChilliChips folds
Esther Rossi folds
BigDaddyKing folds
tyszanin71 folds
Enzo2005 raises to 18,000
rh300487 has 15 seconds left to act
rh300487 has requested TIME
rh300487 raises to 37,989
nickduke5 has 15 seconds left to act
nickduke5 raises to 91,382, and is all in
MAXSHARK folds
Enzo2005 raises to 121,625, and is all in
rh300487 has 15 seconds left to act

And now.....

really sick here. What are we getting, like close to 3:1? Might have to call here I think.

Anyone have a good set of ranges on both villains after the action?

pretty sick spot turned sicker. Don't think I can fold there tho..

fuck it, I call outta spite

damn thats sick. call and be dominating vs AK and AK? lolz I'm a super nit sometimes and I prob end up somehow folding in this spot. But this one would be super close for me. any timing tells on how quickly their actions were? yuck

I probably fold given the action. There's like a 90% chance at least one of them has an overpair and if you're up against an overpair there then you're not getting correct odds in the pot (I think, I didn't actually run the numbers). It's actually probably close, but I still fold.

nickdude can be ranged in many ways, but since you didnt give a description for him, I think I assign AQ+,99+ for him.

Fishy player, I assign him, AQ+, 88+.

Fishy player´s range is also inffluenced if you have been 3 betting him often before.
and because this is a cutoff/button/blind situation, I think it might be wider.

If you win this hand, I think you lock yourself a top 3 finish.

I'm pretty good w/ICM, I'll do some calcs later.. First wanted some insight from others..

The cold4bet shover shoves w/o FE vs a 4.2x raise and a 3bet. Both looking super strong. His range there can be QQ+, AK... The fishy player is definitely looking at the money and will fold hands like 99 and TT here almost always... Even AQ he'll probably (and would be correct) dump.. Leaving JJ+ AK in his range.

Once again, I don't think the IR (4.2x BB raiser) will ISO shove very light here, even though I've been really aggressive and 3betting a ton.......

So 4bet range is QQ+ AK
IR range is JJ+ AK

Just my thoughts about there ranges.

I think this spot is an easy fold. Given the 3 way action with stacks that don't need to get involved, you're dominated, take your 40+ bb's and start rebuilding.