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JJ fold 6-max final table

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  1. lilOUmikey lilOUmikey is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:15am)

    pokerstars Game #13188869573: Tournament #65928076, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXI (6000/12000) - 2007/11/11 - 23:44:25 (ET)
    Table '65928076 146' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: jjoseph13 (101431 in chips)
    Seat 2: lilOUmikey (417462 in chips)
    Seat 3: meneerbeer (572359 in chips)
    Seat 4: Herby01 (578880 in chips)
    Seat 5: Dangeruss1 (128180 in chips)
    Seat 6: ElCubain (319688 in chips)
    jjoseph13: posts the ante 1200
    lilOUmikey: posts the ante 1200
    meneerbeer: posts the ante 1200
    Herby01: posts the ante 1200
    Dangeruss1: posts the ante 1200
    ElCubain: posts the ante 1200
    jjoseph13: posts small blind 6000
    lilOUmikey: posts big blind 12000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to lilOUmikey [Jc Jd]
    meneerbeer: folds
    Herby01: raises 24000 to 36000
    Dangeruss1: folds
    ElCubain: raises 44000 to 80000
    jjoseph13: folds
    lilOUmikey: folds

    Herby hasn't gotten too far out of line, and I have elcubain tagged as the weakest player at the table. I believe im far and away the best player and don't want to risk most of my stack in a marginal spot.

    so good fold? or itty bitty nitty committee?
  2. MarkesanMike MarkesanMike is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:23am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    I don't really like it, only way I even think about folding it is if ElCubain has been extremely tight.
  3. LesW LesW is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:29am) in reply to MarkesanMike

    Too much action for jacks. I would need great reads to call here or have a great image to push.
  4. thebawler thebawler is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:38am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    I like this fold actually...probably nitty but so f'n what!
  5. PurpleSmoke PurpleSmoke is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:45am) in reply to thebawler

    shove those hooks in their face
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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:50am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    its a good fold
  7. lilOUmikey lilOUmikey is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 9:52am) in reply to areaman

    my image was pretty garbage too
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  8. RichardHurtz RichardHurtz is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:11am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    Normally I think its a good fold. But considering its a $5 tourney and where the players are from (Euro) I shove.
  9. thebawler thebawler is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:13am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    Ya if your image is garbage this is def. a fold just becuase you probably cant even get these donks to lay down AQ and your so deep that you have plenty of time to pick these children apart...
  10. Gettin Daize Gettin Daize is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:19am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    a tought spot, but id prolly shove
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  11. thebawler thebawler is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:21am) in reply to Gettin Daize

    also 2 shorties 2 think about
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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:22am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    Ask yourself, "What's my play if I don't fold?"

    If you call, what happens if original raiser repops...you get the train of thought.

    If you reraise, how much? Do you push? How do you handle another raise by the orginal raiser or reraiser?

    If you fold, why are you folding? Can you narrow the villains down to atleast one overpair, or are you putting them on AK-KQ?

    If you cannot put them on an overpair, then obv you push here and try to pick up the pot one of two ways, they fold or you win a showdown.

    Not knowing anything more about the villains, I don't mind a fold or a push here. I think the only bad plays are the call and the non-push reraise. Maybe someone can run the math on the +EV -EV-ness of these plays.

    Comments?

    Nice FT btw!
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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 10:42am) in reply to specv318

    Also key is how much restealing has been going on? Esp by Elclubain...

    Thing is AA is still only llike 60% against 2 random hands, not that I would also fold AA but you can't expect to win a lot of show downs with JJ in a 3 way all in. So you need to know that IR is folding - and sweat out at least 1 over if elclubain calls. Which is why I think mucking what is most likely the tiny fav is best here.
  14. Jack_Diamondz Jack_Diamondz is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 11:41am) in reply to lilOUmikey

    I take you posted because the when they turned over their cards you had them beat?

    I like the fold too. Just save it for later.
  15. daphishermen daphishermen is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 12:16pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    ElCubian's tiny reraise seems to be begging for a call. If this is standard I push, otherwise fold
     
  16. lilOUmikey lilOUmikey is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 1:07pm) in reply to daphishermen

    Jack, no cards were exposed here is how the hand played out

    http://www.pokerxfactor.com/SH96365/...0071112_100614

    if you cant see the replayer, Herby called, flop came AK10 and went check check, turn herby checked again and Cubain bet, herby folded

    so after this i put cubain on KK or AA and herby on 99
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  17. TiltinShoes TiltinShoes is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 1:14pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    NEVER FOLD JACKS! PLAY THEM UNTILL YOU ARE BROKE!

    But seriously, I honsestly don't have any problem with the fold. I can see either point for shoving or folding here.
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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 2:47pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    At the very least you should be calling the RR and playing a flop. I most likely reraise him again as he is a weak player like you said and could have a wide range here. I say itty bitty nitty committee chairman.

    EDIT: just noticed you werent the original raiser. In this case I still think you should be shoving over the top and trying to isolate elcubain or wtv the fuck his name is.
  19. ilivebythe5 ilivebythe5 is offline

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    Nov 12th, 2007 (11/12/2007 2:53pm) in reply to lilOUmikey

    no debate. fold.
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