Check out our brand new Local Poker Communities! Get updates and interact with poker players in your area.
Visit the United States Poker Community | Visit the California Poker Community | Read more about the Launch of P5s Local

JJ pre in 16$ SNG

Reply to Thread
  1. SofaKingCewl SofaKingCewl is offline

    Gent
    Belgium

    Posts: 148
    Joined: Feb 08

    Dec 28th, 2008 (12/28/2008 5:42pm)

    pokerstars Game #23346125984: Tournament #130150697, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/12/28 18:20:33 ET
    Table '130150697 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: zenit08 (1540 in chips)
    Seat 2: smbejet (1510 in chips)
    Seat 3: lolSFobv (1470 in chips)
    Seat 4: Matzae (1450 in chips)
    Seat 5: Pete_029 (1470 in chips)
    Seat 6: Le Beau LuLu (1020 in chips)
    Seat 7: blefe_brabo (1480 in chips)
    Seat 8: 808machine7 (1440 in chips)
    Seat 9: Antonio_2386 (2120 in chips)
    Le Beau LuLu: posts small blind 10
    blefe_brabo: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to lolSFobv [Js Jh]
    808machine7: calls 20
    Antonio_2386: raises 100 to 120
    zenit08: folds
    smbejet: folds
    lolSFobv: raises 195 to 315
    Matzae: folds
    Pete_029: folds
    Le Beau LuLu: folds
    blefe_brabo: folds
    808machine7: folds
    Antonio_2386: calls 195
    *** FLOP *** [Qd 5d 8s]
    Antonio_2386: bets 300
    lolSFobv: raises 855 to 1155 and is all-in
    Antonio_2386: calls 855
    *** TURN *** [Qd 5d 8s] [As]
    *** RIVER *** [Qd 5d 8s As] [4s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Antonio_2386: shows [Qh Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
    lolSFobv: shows [Js Jh] (a pair of Jacks)
    Antonio_2386 collected 2990 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2990 | Rake 0
    Board [Qd 5d 8s As 4s]
    Seat 1: zenit08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: smbejet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: lolSFobv showed [Js Jh] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 4: Matzae folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Pete_029 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Le Beau LuLu (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: blefe_brabo (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: 808machine7 folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Antonio_2386 showed [Qh Ad] and won (2990) with two pair, Aces and Queens

    Is raising preflop the optimal line here vs a random at the the 16$ level? Im definitely raising QQ and probably folding TT. JJ, i just dont know, folding seems pretty weak, flatting might be better. Whats your line?

    On the flop i ship it in after he donkbets. I think its pretty standard considering hes gonna have a draw, smaller pair or air a decent amount of the time and i already put in a decent amount of my chips.
  2. werd2u werd2u is offline

    Kansas City, MO
    United States

    Posts: 806
    Joined: Feb 07

    Dec 28th, 2008 (12/28/2008 6:05pm) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    Calling his 120 is ok, re-raising is very very bad. Need to be super nitty early on in these. Folding to his 120 raise is the best option.
  3. stealth stealth is offline

    Jacksonville, FL
    United States

    Posts: 177
    Joined: May 07

    Dec 29th, 2008 (12/29/2008 12:39am) in reply to werd2u

    Yeah Im not calling there on the flop shove.

    Wouldnt you say AA, KK, QQ, AQ, AK hit his range?

    I don't think he would go over the top with AK or AJ here, so your beat.
  4. odstore odstore is offline

    Cleveland, OH
    United States

    Posts: 727
    Joined: Jan 08

    Dec 29th, 2008 (12/29/2008 12:44am) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    It sucks but folding pre is probably the best play cause your most likely behind his range and can't afford to spew chips.
  5. Denty Denty is offline

    Silver Spring, MD
    United States

    Posts: 1,148
    Joined: Jan 06

    Dec 29th, 2008 (12/29/2008 1:54am) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    honestly i think your flop logic is horrendous, especially at 10/20 blinds. i dont know where to start, but all of your reasoning for shoving the flop is absolutely terrible.

    reraising 120 is also bad here. its 10/20, unless you have a monster hand which a pair of jacks preflop is NOT at 10/20 blinds, its comletely -ev to get your stack in this early.

    optimal line is call the 120...when he leads out strong on the flop fold. keep the pot cheap this early in the tournament. i also want to re-iterate i think your flop logic was atrocious. i dont know what else to say ill leave it at that

    edit: everytime i re-read your flop explanation i get sicker and sicker. please do the opposite for the opposite reasons next time
     
  6. SofaKingCewl SofaKingCewl is offline

    Gent
    Belgium

    Posts: 148
    Joined: Feb 08

    Dec 29th, 2008 (12/29/2008 6:49am) in reply to Denty

    So donkleads indicate strenght now??

    I agree i should have flatted pre and folded on that flop. But given i did reraise and he then donkleads into me for less than half-pot, am i really supposed to fold here? Like what is he representing by leading into me? There's just no point for him to lead here when he really has a made hand.

    In this case he did happen to have toppair strong kicker, but wouldn't his bet indicate weakness most of the time?
    Thread Starter
  7. ibluffheaps ibluffheaps is offline

    Australia

    Posts: 786
    Joined: Aug 07

    Dec 29th, 2008 (12/29/2008 8:10am) in reply to SofaKingCewl

    reraising pre is pretty bad, much better to flat or vs. good/regular fold. If played this way you can get away on unfavourable flops pretty easily, possibly flop a big hand and extract value from his Ax hands.
    205 1
Reply to Thread