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  1. GambleAB GambleAB is offline 1. I'm awesome

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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 4:58am)

    Full Tilt Poker Game #1612381353: Table Brave (6 max) - $5/$10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 5:50:53 ET - 2007/01/16
    Seat 1: thepokermummy ($729.35)
    Seat 2: Aaron Bartley ($882)
    Seat 3: looseslots ($400)
    Seat 4: play2pay ($2,082.50)
    Seat 5: theiceman666 ($1,968.25)
    Seat 6: aidan88 ($209.20)
    theiceman666 posts the small blind of $5
    aidan88 posts the big blind of $10
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Aaron Bartley [4c 8d 8s 4s]
    thepokermummy raises to $20
    Aaron Bartley calls $20
    looseslots folds
    play2pay folds
    theiceman666 calls $15
    aidan88 folds
    *** FLOP *** [5c 5s 4h]
    theiceman666 checks
    thepokermummy bets $60
    Aaron Bartley calls $60
    theiceman666 raises to $310
    thepokermummy raises to $709.35, and is all in
    Aaron Bartley raises to $862, and is all in
    theiceman666 calls $552
    Aaron Bartley shows [4c 8d 8s 4s]
    theiceman666 shows [2c 5h 3h 9c]
    thepokermummy shows [5d Ts 8h Th]
    *** TURN *** [5c 5s 4h] [3c]
    *** RIVER *** [5c 5s 4h 3c] [8c]
    Aaron Bartley shows a full house, Eights full of Fives
    theiceman666 shows a full house, Fives full of Threes
    Aaron Bartley wins the side pot ($305.30) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
    thepokermummy shows a full house, Fives full of Eights
    Aaron Bartley wins the main pot ($2,195.05) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
    thepokermummy is sitting out
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $2,503.35 Main pot $2,198.05. Side pot $305.30. | Rake $3
    Board: [5c 5s 4h 3c 8c]
    Seat 1: thepokermummy showed [5d Ts 8h Th] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Eights
    Seat 2: Aaron Bartley showed [4c 8d 8s 4s] and won ($2,500.35) with a full house, Eights full of Fives
    Seat 3: looseslots didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 4: play2pay (button) didn't bet (folded)
    Seat 5: theiceman666 (small blind) showed [2c 5h 3h 9c] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Threes
    Seat 6: aidan88 (big blind) folded before the Flop
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 5:23am) in reply to GambleAB

    Not for your benefit at all Aaron. since I KNOW you know this already.

    Only put all your money into the pot in plo when your pp that hit to make you a boat on the flop is higher than the paired cards on board. In Aaron's example above, he hit his 44 to make the UNDERFULL 44455. When you make this kind of hand, anytime somebody hits their kicker to the 5, they will make a higher full house.

    Had Aaron hit his 88 with a flop of 855, well, that would be a horse of a different color ;o)
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 5:42am) in reply to GambleAB

    at least he might learn not to play 2539.....
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 5:42am) in reply to Plattsburgh

    Also... obv brag post for being able to play 5/10
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 5:52am) in reply to seal

    Good point, Seal, although do you suggest letting my hand go? Assuming I can't put anyone on 55xx (which is a slight possibilty, but it's more likely that people are holding 5xxx or overcards), when the betting gets to me the 2nd time on the flop everyone is basically allin, and if I'm facing a 5 and even overcards along with it, I'm still around a 50% favorite to win the hand (slightly more if both of my 8s were live) and getting a great value on my money. In your opinion, are players going to have 54xx enough of the time in this positon vs me that it warrents a fold, because if I'm just up against lone 5s that need to hit one of their other cards I'm getting a +EV situation.
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:01am) in reply to GambleAB

    Another thing to consider is that original raiser is going to have a pocket pair a fairly high percenttage of the time giving him only 5 outs and thats of course assuming he is not holding an 8. The other player's range is wide and its not hard to believe you are dodging 9 live outs in his hand...even still this is +EV spot. Not to mention they share many times here as well.. i don't think in this pot you can be certain enough that 54 or 55 is out there to ever consider laying this down unless you believe that original raiser would make this play without a 5.
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:04am) in reply to GambleAB

    Aaron, being a PLO specialist I can say legally that your play is perfectly fine, with the raising preflop unless they are folding 2345, 3456 etc you are fine. Also if your playing cash games seal and are worried about 55xx then you shouldent be playing them (not attacking you personally at all). Chances are both of them might have the five here, obv, and if thats the case all u gotta do is dodge 2 cards, and pray they both have matching cards like AQK5DS, or something of that effect.
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:12am) in reply to GambleAB

    With the action the way it happened, and in the absence of strong evidence that at least one of these guys overplays overpairs, you can be sure you are up against two guys with 5s. Even discounting one card, you still have to dodge 5 kickers for two cards to come.

    I know many top players, aggressive winning guys like you, who will take this risk all day long. In a tourney, where my possible reward is much greater than just the immediate pot, I will too. But in a cash game, where situations with almost no risk do come up for the patient, I'd rather wait.

    This is why I prefaced my post by saying that the advice was not for you ;o) Just offering an alternative strategy for the more risk averse player ( read - coward like me ).
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:19am) in reply to seal

    I see what you are saying sir, good point as always. I actually use this same advice when I am advising people on advanced tournament play, that you don't always need to take a slightly +EV situation early on b/c you are bound to find much easier spots (with much higher +EV) later on.

    Also if you could PM me the name of that Italian restaurant you were talking about this summer that would be awesome.
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:21am) in reply to seal

    Seal, your insight is invaluable as always. I'm assuming you advise the same risk-averse player to dump Aaron's hand pre... yes?
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:27am) in reply to GambleAB

    Now that the serious stuff is out of the way, why are you posting obviously bragging being able to play 5/10?
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 6:34am) in reply to Plattsburgh

    Plattsburgh wet his pants b/c he played golf with Jeff Madson.
     
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 8:07am) in reply to Claw1980

    you put a smile on my face just because I got to think of Rob Base.
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    Jan 16th, 2007 (1/16/2007 9:56am) in reply to beanie

    Well, I think that both Seal and Plattsburgh bring up good points, and they are both right, sorta. IMHO, when you flop an underfull like GambleAB did, plan A is to get as much money in on the flop as possible, with the exception being if you are playing severely deepstacked, then you should be abled to lay down your hand after a reraise or so. The reason for this is the only hand that would have you beat is 55xx or 54xx, and many players will bet their hand of 5xxx(Which is the most likely hand at this point which you are a 60/40 favorite) aggressively because they will have outs to the probable nuts. However, if you can not get a lot of money in on the flop, you would want to play a smaller pot, since now any volume of voluntary action is real bad news, and folding your hand in a spot like that is probably a good idea.
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