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Just need some thoughts on this hand . . .

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  1. D2theRock D2theRock is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:25am)

    just need some thoughts on this, mainly preflop and then flop and turn

    Full Tilt Poker Game #8424692324: $23,000 KO Guarantee (63345301), Table 5 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:17:26 ET - 2008/10/10

    Seat 1: pokerarg (3,850)

    Seat 2: Vick12 (5,150)

    Seat 3: YoungMasterKB (4,940)

    Seat 4: hawkjb1 (8,310)

    Seat 5: Getmoney726 (1,466)

    Seat 6: Warfd (1,180)

    Seat 7: TheItalian705 (17,570)

    Seat 8: Dayton77 (6,916)

    Seat 9: bowser125 (4,185)

    Getmoney726 posts the small blind of 50

    Warfd posts the big blind of 100

    The button is in seat #4

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to TheItalian705 [Qs Qh]

    TheItalian705 raises to 300

    Dayton77 folds

    bowser125 raises to 800

    pokerarg folds

    Vick12 folds

    YoungMasterKB folds

    hawkjb1 folds

    Getmoney726 folds

    Warfd folds

    TheItalian705 has 15 seconds left to act

    TheItalian705 calls 500

    *** FLOP *** [9h 6h 6s]

    TheItalian705 checks

    bowser125 checks

    *** TURN *** [9h 6h 6s] [7d]

    TheItalian705 has 15 seconds left to act

    TheItalian705 bets 800

    bowser125 calls 800

    *** RIVER *** [9h 6h 6s 7d] [3d]
  2. Thatislife Thatislife is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:29am) in reply to D2theRock

    Just bet the river and you got yourself a completely standard hand.
  3. jrrotonda59 jrrotonda59 is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:43am) in reply to Thatislife

    not sure what you were scared of on the flop honestly, i like a bet of at least 1/2 pot there... i dont see how this is a bad flop for you really at all, and if he has kk/aa i believe he would let you know with a reraise with that flop

    villains flat on the turn for some reason has me thinking 88

    i agree you have to lead the river here, although check calling isnt terrible if you have a good read on villain as some sort of tricky/trappy player

    kind of weird line though overall
  4. D2theRock D2theRock is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:46am) in reply to D2theRock

    yeah thats what i thought but the villian is someone i recognize as a reg and with his stack and just a cold call AA or KK is the only hand that makes sense for him. so at that point am i shipping in no matta what because of the small satck size and ma hand strength
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  5. AFink93 AFink93 is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:52am) in reply to D2theRock

    Jesus you have 17000 chips at 50/100 and he has 4000. How can you be this timid versus this opponent.. So what if you stack him off. Just from a metagame point of view. Im going to bully someone I have outstacked 4 to 1. Bet Bet Bet Bet.. Man Up
  6. D2theRock D2theRock is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 1:55am) in reply to AFink93

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    Jesus you have 17000 chips at 50/100 and he has 4000. How can you be this timid versus this opponent.. So what if you stack him off. Just from a metagame point of view. Im going to bully someone I have outstacked 4 to 1. Bet Bet Bet Bet.. Man Up

    lol i know and i did and he min raised all to which i happily called and he happily showed his AA. thing is on turn i thought he had AA or KK just from the hand dynamics, so i still put it in? its a sucky feeling to feel you have to stak even when you think your beat. but i did bet river lol
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  7. orgnalsooners orgnalsooners is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 2:02am) in reply to D2theRock

     
    Originally Posted by D2theRock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    Jesus you have 17000 chips at 50/100 and he has 4000. How can you be this timid versus this opponent.. So what if you stack him off. Just from a metagame point of view. Im going to bully someone I have outstacked 4 to 1. Bet Bet Bet Bet.. Man Up

    lol i know and i did and he min raised all to which i happily called and he happily showed his AA. thing is on turn i thought he had AA or KK just from the hand dynamics, so i still put it in? its a sucky feeling to feel you have to stak even when you think your beat. but i did bet river lol

    I don't know you or your game but if the reason you posted this is b/c he had AA then you need to think harder. Your not an idiot b/c he showed u AA and you wldnt be a genius if he tabled JJ. You state that u felt he had AA but you didn't say that in your post. WHy do u think he had AA? Is he capable of 3 betting u pre to 800 with JJ or worse? wld he raise more with AK or flat? If you want serious answers you have to give us some detail. As played with no info and stack sized I am either 4 betting him/ calling his shove pre or as u played it lead/ calling flop.
    Sooners
     
  8. D2theRock D2theRock is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 2:12am) in reply to orgnalsooners

     
    Originally Posted by orgnalsooners View Post

     
    Originally Posted by D2theRock View Post

     
    Originally Posted by AFink93 View Post

    Jesus you have 17000 chips at 50/100 and he has 4000. How can you be this timid versus this opponent.. So what if you stack him off. Just from a metagame point of view. Im going to bully someone I have outstacked 4 to 1. Bet Bet Bet Bet.. Man Up

    lol i know and i did and he min raised all to which i happily called and he happily showed his AA. thing is on turn i thought he had AA or KK just from the hand dynamics, so i still put it in? its a sucky feeling to feel you have to stak even when you think your beat. but i did bet river lol

    I don't know you or your game but if the reason you posted this is b/c he had AA then you need to think harder. Your not an idiot b/c he showed u AA and you wldnt be a genius if he tabled JJ. You state that u felt he had AA but you didn't say that in your post. WHy do u think he had AA? Is he capable of 3 betting u pre to 800 with JJ or worse? wld he raise more with AK or flat? If you want serious answers you have to give us some detail. As played with no info and stack sized I am either 4 betting him/ calling his shove pre or as u played it lead/ calling flop.
    Sooners

    fair enough, i dnt post HH much so i dnt know how much detail you all want. so here:

    i felt he could have 1010 up with AK or even an AQ but nothin worse. on the flop i check to him, but what kinda trips me up is he simply checks behind with like 4000 in chips. at this point i felt i was dealin with AA KK JJ (prolly not the other two QQs)but the turn i bet 800 cuz i have lots of chips and wanted to know where i was at with my QQ. what is weird is he simply calls 800 with like 3000-3500 left. river is another blank. so im sittin there wonderin what the hell plays like this and i simply thought AA KK or possible JJ but i concluded i have QQ on a weak board am i gonna fold to anything here and i thought not when i have so much in and he has only a few left. there were two hands he could have that beat me imo and one i could beat JJ maybe two if he has 1010 so bet and he min raises all in and i call that and he spits out AA.
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  9. orgnalsooners orgnalsooners is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 2:59am) in reply to D2theRock

    Ok just get it in then, Stack sizes mandate this . gl
     
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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 3:26am) in reply to D2theRock

    This response will be censored, but, what the hell:

    HOW 'BOUT YOU POST THIS IN HAND ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!
  11. Counting Bodies Counting Bodies is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 5:39am) in reply to Googlepogg

    I think you get better value by check calling river giving the way it was played would suck to v bet river and get shoved on, although i prob would have made a commiting 4-bet preflop. Bowser125 does seem to be a pretty nitty fulltilt regular
     
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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 8:21am) in reply to Counting Bodies

    Get your chips in here you are a mile in front. From the way he has played this he has something like AK and has totally missed. As the japanese man on Banzai said... BET BET BET!!! WHAT YOU WAITING FOR?! BET!!!!!!!
     
  13. D2theRock D2theRock is offline

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    Oct 10th, 2008 (10/10/2008 6:14pm) in reply to StormForce 7

    yeah i got the chips in cuz i couldnt fold it imo and he was kind enough to turn over AA. fact is the way it played out it looked like a blatant AA or KK situation but he had so few chips compared to me and i still had a relatively powerful hand that i decided i had to do it. coulda laid it down but i decided to be bone headed
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