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just wondering... how else to play this?

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  1. bukithepro bukithepro is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:19pm)

    Hand #52533854-34 at Sun830pm75K-003 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
    Started at 13/Apr/08 21:11:19

    RolledUpJacks is at seat 0 with 1660.
    MACCY99 is at seat 1 with 3760.
    mhrep is at seat 2 with 2935.
    1DR is at seat 3 with 2255.
    The_Backdoors is at seat 4 with 2595.
    feldliss is at seat 5 with 2335.
    bukithepro is at seat 6 with 2205.
    PFLLC is at seat 7 with 2580.
    JBC_78 is at seat 8 with 1645.
    jpstation is at seat 9 with 3030.
    The button is at seat 2.

    1DR posts the small blind of 15.
    The_Backdoors posts the big blind of 30.

    RolledUpJacks: -- --
    MACCY99: -- --
    mhrep: -- --
    1DR: -- --
    The_Backdoors: -- --
    feldliss: -- --
    bukithepro: Kc Kd
    PFLLC: -- --
    JBC_78: -- --
    jpstation: -- --

    Pre-flop:

    feldliss calls. bukithepro raises to 140. PFLLC
    folds. JBC_78 calls. jpstation re-raises to 450.
    RolledUpJacks folds. MACCY99 folds. mhrep folds.
    1DR folds. The_Backdoors folds. feldliss folds.
    bukithepro calls. JBC_78 calls.

    Flop (board: 7c 4s 3s):

    bukithepro checks. JBC_78 checks. jpstation bets
    800. bukithepro goes all-in for 1755. JBC_78 folds.
    jpstation calls.

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    shove pre is bad

    if i lead on the flop, why am am betting? to call shove or fold to shove?
     
  2. bob2bob bob2bob is offline

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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:26pm) in reply to bukithepro

    whats wrong with shoving pre?
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:28pm) in reply to bob2bob

    shoving pre allows him to play perfectly... call with AA fold everything else
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:30pm) in reply to bukithepro

    i like your line best, though i don't think shoving pre is bad. if you lead the flop, i guess it'd be to squeeze JBC in between you and jpstation. but i like your line.
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:30pm) in reply to bukithepro

    How is that a perfect play? Isnt any pure strategy exploitable. You must be expoitable if someone can just call with AA and fold rest.
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:34pm) in reply to kdogpenny1

    to be clear, buki means "playing perfectly against his range" and he's not going to be fourbetting all-in that light early in a fairly big buy-in tourney

    i guess shoving all-in with anything would be how to exploit it, but i think playing the hand the way buki did gets value out of the hands the opponent would call a shove with AND the hands he wouldn't
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:35pm) in reply to kdogpenny1

    ^^ that is exactly why you shouldn't reshove pre in that spot, because then you are exploitable.
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:35pm) in reply to bukithepro

    that makes sense
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:39pm) in reply to warden

    thx dpotts, because i feel better... he obv flips over AA, but i felt like my line was good, had to double check.

    o, and this is the ub $530 $75k
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:43pm) in reply to bukithepro

    buki, I think you can also be shoving QQ and AK due to being OOP post flop, so I don't think shoving is horrible, but probably not the best option. I think you played it the best you could. If you lead you have to call a shove, and possibly leading is best because it widens up your range a bit more (like 88-JJ as well) while check raising looks even stronger. His pf raise looks like aces here, but I just can't see myself folding kings ever to all the donks that play.
     
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:48pm) in reply to bukithepro

    yea, saw that after, which obv pushes the decision farther away from shove pre.
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:49pm) in reply to Frank1The1Tank

    this is just a cooler nothing to worry about because most of the time when u shove kk pre flop like you did you wont run into aa, just a sick cooler and put it behind you because i feel its a good play in the long run
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    Apr 13th, 2008 (4/13/2008 9:51pm) in reply to warden

    sweeeeeet

    thx dude
     
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