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Kenny Tran WSOP short stack play

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  1. bertminatti bertminatti is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 1:44pm)

    We've all heard it before. Many live players don't know how to play a short stack. Either that or they have some sort of upper-level tournament survival method that us math nerds can't comprehend.

    I'm not trying to throw Kenny under a bus here because as I told someone yesterday there aren't many player's I'd fear more than him with a big stack. But this play yesterday at the WSOP just amazed me:

    Tran was sitting with just under 500K at 12K/24K 3K ante. He raises to 75K in middle position and Joe Cada reraises to 220K directly behind him. Action folds back around to Kenny and he just flats, leaving 260K behind.

    Then on an A-6-5 rainbow flop Tran checks, Cada pushes 300K into the pot and Kenny snap-folds. Literally as soon as Cada released his hand from his chips Tran's cards hit the muck. I talked to Joe about the hand afterward and he was just dumbfounded.

    So what is Kenny opening with that he doesn't want to commit to preflop? Why is he flatting if he's not intending to jam any flop? I'm still so confused because the guy is considered one of the absolute best in the game by his peers.
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 1:51pm) in reply to bertminatti

    ill throw him under the bus this is just spewy and horrific from such a quality player.
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 1:54pm) in reply to bertminatti

    lol
     
  4. jeffboski jeffboski is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 1:56pm) in reply to Iplaythabored

    Standard setmine. UL
     
  5. bluffslv bluffslv is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 1:58pm) in reply to Iplaythabored

    Obv. had to muck KK there, nothing he can do about it.
  6. pikappraider78 pikappraider78 is offline

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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 2:05pm) in reply to bluffslv

    people that started live and never grinded online mtts put so much value on tournament life. i mean he has to know its a bad play, its literally impossible for him to think flatting and folding that flop is good. but then you add in there concept of "tournament life"

    i guess its because a typical session for one of us is 20+ tournaments in a 8 -10 hour span, these guys are playing 1 tourney a day if there lucky, mainly like a couple a week. i feel like thats where there idea of tournament life being a reason to make terrible plays came from. hes probably done things like this in the past and made comebacks to win and while its possible its obv a horrible play. i guess its important to them to still be in the tournament when its a big deal to lose since thats it for the day. for us busting a tournament just means close out the lobby when it Xes out and resize tables.

    still is baffling though the things i read from live pros blogs and such, god imagine how soft live tournament poker was like 4-5+ years ago, im sure alot of these guys are -ev in the smaller field events now and just get by on sponsorships and such.
     
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 2:07pm) in reply to bertminatti

    damn suited connectors .. get there 1 time!
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 2:14pm) in reply to bertminatti

    I read this hand yesterday and was pretty shocked by it too...but i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to bad reporting.
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 2:36pm) in reply to jeffboski

     
    Originally Posted by jeffboski View Post

    Standard setmine. UL

    lol so well put
     
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 2:46pm) in reply to jeffboski

     
    Originally Posted by jeffboski View Post

    Standard setmine. UL

    lol
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    Jul 14th, 2009 (7/14/2009 3:24pm) in reply to pikappraider78

     
    Originally Posted by pikappraider78 View Post

    people that started live and never grinded online mtts put so much value on tournament life. i mean he has to know its a bad play, its literally impossible for him to think flatting and folding that flop is good. but then you add in there concept of "tournament life"

    i guess its because a typical session for one of us is 20+ tournaments in a 8 -10 hour span, these guys are playing 1 tourney a day if there lucky, mainly like a couple a week. i feel like thats where there idea of tournament life being a reason to make terrible plays came from. hes probably done things like this in the past and made comebacks to win and while its possible its obv a horrible play. i guess its important to them to still be in the tournament when its a big deal to lose since thats it for the day. for us busting a tournament just means close out the lobby when it Xes out and resize tables.

    still is baffling though the things i read from live pros blogs and such, god imagine how soft live tournament poker was like 4-5+ years ago, im sure alot of these guys are -ev in the smaller field events now and just get by on sponsorships and such.

    basically.

    so much of online poker is attributed to pushing small edges long term/multitabling. And its basically agreed that you'll never play enough tournaments online to create a proper sample size. So live is about short term and giving up small edges for a more profitable spot later.
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