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kinda weird spot, just looking for the best option

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  1. WHATL3Y WHATL3Y is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 6:59pm)

    what do you do here? no reads just got to the table.. also after you give me your input on what action i should take, and given that its a $3 mtt on stars, what calling range do you give the sb (not really worried about the initial raiser at this point) there to a 3bet thats not a shove (which i really really dont think i should do based on my stack and villains') as well as a calling range based on me shoving.. thanks

    pokerstars Game #46053115341: Tournament #284561357, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2010/06/27 11:36:38 ET
    Table '284561357 116' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: WHATL3Y (6095 in chips)
    Seat 2: Juan Rdo. (4320 in chips)
    Seat 3: paranaita (35259 in chips)
    Seat 4: lashrlog (10445 in chips)
    Seat 5: lehegalle (3840 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 6: katimba (22613 in chips)
    WHATL3Y: posts the ante 30
    Juan Rdo.: posts the ante 30
    paranaita: posts the ante 30
    lashrlog: posts the ante 30
    katimba: posts the ante 30
    katimba: posts small blind 125
    WHATL3Y: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to WHATL3Y [6c 6s]
    Juan Rdo.: folds
    paranaita: folds
    lashrlog: raises 435 to 685
    katimba: calls 560
    WHATL3Y: ????????
  2. elusively elusively is online now

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 7:18pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    I've thought about this hand for a few minutes b/c my feelings changed about different lines and I wasn't sure what was optimal (tbh I'm still unsure).

    definitely seems like a raise/get it in spot, but I hate calling a 4-bet shove from either players w/ no reads so I'm prob just shipping in 23bb's and gl.

    I think I'm overthinking this hand a ton b/c I've been playing a lot of live MTT's where you can take so many different lines depending on your opponents tendencies. I'm probably leaking when playing online b/c I think everyone is light and I'm like "I have a pair in the BB against a BTN raise and flat, allin"
  3. trippkirk trippkirk is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 7:18pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

    shove
     
  4. WHATL3Y WHATL3Y is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 9:00pm) in reply to trippkirk

    any other thoughts from anyone
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  5. jdawg0913 jdawg0913 is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 10:59pm) in reply to WHATL3Y

     
    Originally Posted by WHATL3Y View Post

    what do you do here? no reads just got to the table.. also after you give me your input on what action i should take, and given that its a $3 mtt on stars, what calling range do you give the sb (not really worried about the initial raiser at this point) there to a 3bet thats not a shove (which i really really dont think i should do based on my stack and villains') as well as a calling range based on me shoving.. thanks

    pokerstars Game #46053115341: Tournament #284561357, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2010/06/27 11:36:38 ET
    Table '284561357 116' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: WHATL3Y (6095 in chips)
    Seat 2: Juan Rdo. (4320 in chips)
    Seat 3: paranaita (35259 in chips)
    Seat 4: lashrlog (10445 in chips)
    Seat 5: lehegalle (3840 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
    Seat 6: katimba (22613 in chips)
    WHATL3Y: posts the ante 30
    Juan Rdo.: posts the ante 30
    paranaita: posts the ante 30
    lashrlog: posts the ante 30
    katimba: posts the ante 30
    katimba: posts small blind 125
    WHATL3Y: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to WHATL3Y [6c 6s]
    Juan Rdo.: folds
    paranaita: folds
    lashrlog: raises 435 to 685
    katimba: calls 560
    WHATL3Y: ????????

    for me, i need 15 to 1 implied odds to play a speculative hand or baby-mid pair especially out of position. u do have that in this hand(barely). so i think calling is a possibility. i wouldnt fold tho. so i feel like it is between raising and calling.

    if u raise, do u plan on folding to a reraise? if so i would just call. i hate taking a hand with some value and turning it into a bluff. have any of these villians folded to 3bets recently? raising also ballons the pot out of position if they flat u. i hate playin big pots out of position in a marginal spot.

    calling keeps the pot small and puts a minimum investment in a spot where if u hit a set u can double up or better. i think this is a better spot to call in than to raise. u get off cheap if u miss completely. u can also make a move at the pot if u sense weakness post flop and that would be cheaper than 3betting preflop and then cbetting. the down side of calling here is that the hand continues where a 3 bet preflop could end it right there.

    i usually err on the side of caution. so i feel like calling is best in this spot.
  6. pjformella pjformella is offline

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    Jun 27th, 2010 (6/27/2010 11:11pm) in reply to jdawg0913

     
    Originally Posted by jdawg0913 View Post

    for me, i need 15 to 1 implied odds to play a speculative hand or baby-mid pair especially out of position. u do have that in this hand(barely). so i think calling is a possibility. i wouldnt fold tho. so i feel like it is between raising and calling.

    if u raise, do u plan on folding to a reraise? if so i would just call. i hate taking a hand with some value and turning it into a bluff. have any of these villians folded to 3bets recently? raising also ballons the pot out of position if they flat u. i hate playin big pots out of position in a marginal spot.

    calling keeps the pot small and puts a minimum investment in a spot where if u hit a set u can double up or better. i think this is a better spot to call in than to raise. u get off cheap if u miss completely. u can also make a move at the pot if u sense weakness post flop and that would be cheaper than 3betting preflop and then cbetting. the down side of calling here is that the hand continues where a 3 bet preflop could end it right there.

    i usually err on the side of caution. so i feel like calling is best in this spot.

    you're overthinking this. shove.
     
  7. AceSpade2675 AceSpade2675 is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2010 (6/28/2010 1:25am) in reply to pjformella

    With no reads shove.
  8. camharris camharris is offline Winner!

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    Jun 28th, 2010 (6/28/2010 4:08am) in reply to AceSpade2675

    Def.. call the way i see it.. you save yourself chips in the long run. If you nail the flop then jam. But a shove here you may get a call that you dont want.. ofcourse you also have to think about 77.... + Ak AQ even AJ.. all which hurt you. I mean you only have 66.. call and see the cards then determine how you play it.. However if you have some weak players here.. then a 3 bet may be a good move.. but i dont like the play most of the time b/c if they are soft playing anything some1 is coming over the top and then you have to fold!
  9. s.l. halper s.l. halper is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2010 (6/28/2010 5:06am) in reply to camharris

    I'm probably folding this to a single raise in EP w/o reads and based upon stack sizes...but with the biggish stack flatting behind we have solid stack and dynamic to squeeze. So I'm shoving in this spot a decent % of the time.
     
  10. gar2garvin gar2garvin is offline

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    Jun 28th, 2010 (6/28/2010 7:10pm) in reply to s.l. halper

    I'm shipping it
     
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